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Just slightly off topic One thing I am surprised is how in OC we can have heavily immigrant communities that support republicans over democrats. Senator Nguyen is a Republican.
This is unthinkable elsewhere in the state especially in the Bay Area.
The two little saigons in CA, San Jose and Westminster, both of which contains the largest Asian populations in CA while they share many similarities from the untrained eye they are half a world apart in this sense.
In the Bay Area all the Vietnamese and other Asian politicians are now all Democrats and heavily lean toward support left idealism even the ones heavily criticized by the immigrant population there.
As with the SF Bay Area, OC also have a large amount of population from south of the border often concentrating around the Asian enclaves. But the difference is that OC still remains conservative. And I don't mean just more republican as even Democrat dominated Santa Ana which had a all Democrat city council chamber and a majority Spanish speaking population still lean pretty conservative compared to the Democrats elsewhere in the state. The Santa Ana city council had over the years rejected many ordinances arguing that they lead to the "nanny state." Something you usually only hear Republican politicians say these days. Irvine also had leaned right over the years despite being heavily Asian. Again something SF Bay Area folks would never understand. Any one have any explaination?
Just slightly off topic One thing I am surprised is how in OC we can have heavily immigrant communities that support republicans over democrats. Senator Nguyen is a Republican.
This is unthinkable elsewhere in the state especially in the Bay Area.
The two little saigons in CA, San Jose and Westminster, both of which contains the largest Asian populations in CA while they share many similarities from the untrained eye they are half a world apart in this sense.
In the Bay Area all the Vietnamese and other Asian politicians are now all Democrats and heavily lean toward support left idealism even the ones heavily criticized by the immigrant population there.
As with the SF Bay Area, OC also have a large amount of population from south of the border often concentrating around the Asian enclaves. But the difference is that OC still remains conservative. And I don't mean just more republican as even Democrat dominated Santa Ana which had a all Democrat city council chamber and a majority Spanish speaking population still lean pretty conservative compared to the Democrats elsewhere in the state. The Santa Ana city council had over the years rejected many ordinances arguing that they lead to the "nanny state." Something you usually only hear Republican politicians say these days. Irvine also had leaned right over the years despite being heavily Asian. Again something SF Bay Area folks would never understand. Any one have any explaination?
Fiscal conservatism, high percentage of Christians, and general embracing of capitalism ethos.
You'll find that immigrants in the most wealthy areas of OC embrace the values of fiscal conservatism, and capitalism and generally look down upon entitlement programs. These people have worked hard to get where they are, buying a $2,000,000 home, buying a Ferrari, and having a portfolio worth millions. These things require lots of hard work, and they generally frown upon lazy people who want handouts.
I'm part of an angel community in OC, and the large majority of the high net worth individuals ($10,000,000+ net worth) in the community are red leaning fiscal conservatives who love capitalism. Sure there are a few blue heart liberals in the network, but they are for the most part rare (and some of them Bay Area transplants).
I personally know the owner of all the Donut Star locations in SoCal. He's an east asian immigrant who came here with little money. I won't go too much into his personal history since he's a friend, but suffice to say, he is one of the best examples of the "American Dream". Rags to riches. He had to walk to work for many years since he couldn't afford a car.
You should see his car now (and it had a Trump sticker on it).
Additionally, OC has some of the largest Christian evangelical communities in the COUNTRY. Saddleback Church in Lake Forest generally attracts crowds of 30,000+ per weekend across all of its OC campuses. Mariners Church is the same, and there are many more large church communities in OC that have memberships in the tens of thousands. People from these communities tend to be socially conservative.
In the Bay Area, I find that it's more socially acceptable to embrace entitlement programs, handouts, and they embrace ideas of socialism rather than capitalism. I also find that "capitalism" is not looked upon by the overall community as something positive (see all the protest against "tech entreprenuers" in Oakland/San Francisco having their own shuttles, buying up all the houses, raising the overall rents, etc).
These are protest you won't see in South OC.
That being said, you should check out Danville. Danville/Blackhawk is a very red conservative area in very blue leaning Contra Costa County. It's also one of the wealthiest communities in the Bay Area. Something to think about.
Good explanation. I don't just include OC but SoCal in general with the exception of LA proper and some liberal enclaves.
Its weird when we only include the Immigrant population from Asia and Latin American countries even if we exclude the others in the caucasion parts of the county. Santa Ana is not wealthy and North OC may be a mixed bag in terms of wealth and has its share of ghettos too. Affordable housing seems to be an issue being fought for all over the state.
The two little Saigons are a great comparison. Socially I dont see much of a difference between the Asians in Bay Area and Asians in OC. They all like Tapioca, Asian imported goods, live animals slaughter in markets, they work long hours, those who succeed with cash on had buy name brand cars, clothing, and houses in good school districts, nearly all of them place children under intense academic pressure so they can get in good schools and succeed in life. But in terms of voting the ones up north or nearly 90% will almost vote Democrat no matter what. But in OC it seems 50-50 and even the Democrat elected officials have disdain over many Coastal Democrat pushed nanny state policies.
Also most Asian Immigrants in the US usually don't look for handouts, with some exceptions for elderly folks, studying and working folks strive for their own success.
In addition to Asian immigrants I don't know how people from Latin America in either areas are different either. Just the way they vote.
In the Bay Area I am surprised immigrants keep voting in Democrats who continue to make ardious regulations on their practices, but support handouts for certain individuals who are usually not immigrants of their ethnicity. Not to be racist but the handouts are often given to those causing trouble to the hardwordking immigrant population. And the Democrat politicians who are Asian in SF Bay Area would also gladly support left wing advocates in banning many immigrants livelihood practices in Chinatown or their enclaves i.e live animal slaughter for food, shark fin soap, plastic bags, etc such as even if their voters hate it. SF Chinatown merchants have always hate the plastic bag ban and shark fin soap bans and ban on animal slaughter. They practice in civil disobedience nowadays. Many immigrants struggling and working hard to survive don't like so many CA style regulations making their American Dream into a nightmare. In Bay Area they are bombarded by new regulations from their local governments every year. Though I noticed in SoCal Asian enclaves including the ones east of LA and in Artesia there seems overall to be far less restrictions than in NorCal. Most of these Asian enclaves in Socal do not pass such restrictions such as plastic bags and fee on other bags but ones in NorCal are nearly all covered by such ordinances and they all go much farther than SB270 and include street vendors as well. Small business owners are hit hard as they struggle to get by and they have to pay much more for a bag than the 10c they make back as they don't get massive bulk discounts unlike big grocers and have to deal with upset customers.
Btw Danville is no longer conservative these days its leaning liberal as everywhere else in Bay Area. Liberalism has much broader reaches in the Bay Area than in SoCal. Though Contra Costa County east of the Caldocott is somewhat less liberal than the rest of the Bay Area though.
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Everyone keeps talking about OC, and especially south OC, as being very conservative. That's just not the case anymore. My own town is supposedly " very conservative" and it barely went for Trump, by 52 percent.
Everyone keeps talking about OC, and especially south OC, as being very conservative. That's just not the case anymore. My own town is supposedly " very conservative" and it barely went for Trump, by 52 percent.
That may be true, but using Trump's voting numbers aren't a great way to prove your statement. Trump was not seen as a conservative by many Republicans and many did not vote for him in the general election because of this.
South OC barely went for Trump, but red voters elected a majority of Republicans for California assembly and senate seats. That's because of how traditional conservatives viewed Trump, they don't see him as conservative or even a real Republican.
That may be true, but using Trump's voting numbers aren't a great way to prove your statement. Trump was not seen as a conservative by many Republicans and many did not vote for him in the general election because of this.
South OC barely went for Trump, but red voters elected a majority of Republicans for California assembly and senate seats. That's because of how traditional conservatives viewed Trump, they don't see him as conservative or even a real Republican.
Vote tallies for Trump may not tell the whole story, but voting over a longer period does. The area is trending more Democratic, and fast, and voting patterns show it. I think you underestimate how many Democrats there are in this area. They continue to come in from the Bay Area and LA (especially LA). Mind you I am not expressing an opinion with respect to whether I think these changes are good or bad, but I can tell you that they are taking place.
Vote tallies for Trump may not tell the whole story, but voting over a longer period does. The area is trending more Democratic, and fast, and voting patterns show it. I think you underestimate how many Democrats there are in this area. They continue to come in from the Bay Area and LA (especially LA). Mind you I am not expressing an opinion with respect to whether I think these changes are good or bad, but I can tell you that they are taking place.
I don't think anyone is denying that OC has become more "purple" since 1970, but saying "We didn't vote for Trump" doesn't mean the area is not conservative.
Newport Beach has the highest percentage of registered Republicans for cities over 100,000 in the entire state. San Clemente, Yorba Linda (North OC), and Laguna Niguel are in the Top 10 when you consider cities with over 60,000 individuals. South OC may not be Gilbert Arizona, but it's still one of the most conservative areas of California. That may change, but I'm not going to predict the future. When South OC stops electing politicians like Bates and guys like Issa, and replaces them with guys like De Leon, or someone like Harris, then we'll know that the county has changed for good (or at least a very long time).
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I don't think anyone is denying that OC has become more "purple" since 1970, but saying "We didn't vote for Trump" doesn't mean the area is not conservative.
Newport Beach has the highest percentage of registered Republicans for cities over 100,000 in the entire state. San Clemente, Yorba Linda (North OC), and Laguna Niguel are in the Top 10 when you consider cities with over 60,000 individuals. South OC may not be Gilbert Arizona, but it's still one of the most conservative areas of California. That may change, but I'm not going to predict the future. When South OC stops electing politicians like Bates and guys like Issa, and replaces them with guys like De Leon, or someone like Harris, then we'll know that the county has changed for good (or at least a very long time).
We are building massive apartment buildings in my city. So for at least my city, we are expecting major shifts in the next years. Mission Viejo remains more conservative; however, the population there is growing much more diverse, and therefore, I expect Mission Viejo to follow suit. San Clemente is only as red as it is due to Talega...so many are renters west of the 5.
Thank a God we never see a true communism. Basically there is no such thing.
You'll never see a true capitalism either. There's a reason Libertarian ideology lives only in the abstract and not in the concrete world.
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Just slightly off topic One thing I am surprised is how in OC we can have heavily immigrant communities that support republicans over democrats. Senator Nguyen is a Republican.
Show them Texas! That should cure them and make them realize why they cherish California. Right now the two biggest topics in the bi-annual (every two years, not every six months) legislature are transgenders using the bathroom and making gun licenses free or low-cost.
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