The insanity around the 91 and La Palma in YL/AH (Santa Ana: neighborhoods, construction)

[Traxan]

I've lived here for 8 years and watched this phenomenon the entire time and for the life of me, don't get it. Background for those not familiar with the area:


The 91 east tapers out as it approaches the IE/Corona at the Weir Canyon and Gypsum Canyon exits, and bottlenecks. It drops down by one lane and has a merge with the 241, which really clogs up the highway. Once you get past Green River it opens up again but the backup can be to the Imperial Highway exit.


What drives me bonkers is people will exit on Weir Canyon and take either Santa Ana Canyon Road, a 1 lane road, or La Palma, a 2 lane road, and cut across to Gypsum.


In doing so they completely clog up Santa Ana Canyon Road, making people crawl less than 2 miles for 15 minutes or longer before these idiots get back on the highway. Or they plug up La Palma and totally plug up the Gypsum Canyon bridge as people wait to get back on the highway.


This isn't my imagination. I've seen it for years now and don't go out after 4 (or 3 on Thursdays and Fridays, when it gets even worse) unless I absolutely have to.I would think regular commuters would realize after one effort that you accomplish nothing by this. You don't even skip an exit. All you do is block surface streets. No time is saved, if anything, time is lost by this idiotic move. The 91 may be plugged up but it does slowly move. You should see the Gypsum Canyon bridge at 4 pm on a Friday.



I wish to God the cops could do something about it but that would require basically following people who exit on Weird and then get back on at Gypsum. Not feasible, which is why this stupidity continues.


Is there anyone here willing to admit that yes, you exit the 91 east on Weir and get back on at Gypsum? I'd love to hear the logic behind this because it makes absolutely no sense.

[timtemtym]

They need to extend those surface streets through the golf course and connect with Green River. The whole thing is an ill conceived bottle neck. You have two huge population centers connected by one freeway. If they ever figure it out, prices in Riverside County will be equal to the San Fernando Valley.

We used to exit there at Imperial and take Santa Ana Cyn. to the shopping center near Weir for the ATM and gas/coffee/whatever when going through there. We'd get back on at Gypsum then off again at Green River.

I think it's the madness of the 91 that makes you finally just give up and look for other roads.

It's not illegal to get off the freeway and get back on later. Not sure what the police would issue a ticket for.

[Electrician4you]

The only thing stopping them is the SA river on the north side and the hills on the south side. The 241 is done. They did not think the on/off ramps correctly because there is a big bottleneck on 241 going into 91 East. Then it narrows down again.
91 got widened going into Corona but it’s still a mess as the 91 to 15 north/south onramp is a bs mess but so is the 15 south to 91 West onramp is a joke.


Most people get off the freeway thinking I’m moving faster than the freeway so I’m making up time. As stated it’s not illegal to get on and off the freeway.

[Socalpal]

Originally Posted by timtemtym

They need to extend those surface streets through the golf course and connect with Green River. The whole thing is an ill conceived bottle neck. You have two huge population centers connected by one freeway. If they ever figure it out, prices in Riverside County will be equal to the San Fernando Valley.

We used to exit there at Imperial and take Santa Ana Cyn. to the shopping center near Weir for the ATM and gas/coffee/whatever when going through there. We'd get back on at Gypsum then off again at Green River.

I think it's the madness of the 91 that makes you finally just give up and look for other roads.

It's not illegal to get off the freeway and get back on later. Not sure what the police would issue a ticket for.

Extending the road through the national forest/golf course/flood basin will just back up neighborhoods in Anaheim Hills and Yorba Linda. It serves no benefit to those who live in the area.


Bottom line they need to close the gypsum canyon off-ramp/on-ramp permanently.
This will deter cut through traffic on these roads.

I am sure people in Yorba Linda won't mind going to weir to get onto the freeway. Most in the area don't use the 91 anyways since it is always backed up.

I don't see a logical reason of why the taxpayers of Yorba Linda & Anaheim Hills should be spending their hard earned local tax dollars to facilitate the commute of the inland empire.

[SportyandMisty]

Originally Posted by timtemtym

The whole thing is an ill conceived bottle neck.

Designed and implemented by public sector employees who cannot be fired for their incompetence and who earn gold-plated pensions & Cadillac health care for life.

[Vic Romano]

Originally Posted by Traxan

I've lived here for 8 years and watched this phenomenon the entire time and for the life of me, don't get it. Background for those not familiar with the area:


The 91 east tapers out as it approaches the IE/Corona at the Weir Canyon and Gypsum Canyon exits, and bottlenecks. It drops down by one lane and has a merge with the 241, which really clogs up the highway. Once you get past Green River it opens up again but the backup can be to the Imperial Highway exit.


What drives me bonkers is people will exit on Weir Canyon and take either Santa Ana Canyon Road, a 1 lane road, or La Palma, a 2 lane road, and cut across to Gypsum.


In doing so they completely clog up Santa Ana Canyon Road, making people crawl less than 2 miles for 15 minutes or longer before these idiots get back on the highway. Or they plug up La Palma and totally plug up the Gypsum Canyon bridge as people wait to get back on the highway.


This isn't my imagination. I've seen it for years now and don't go out after 4 (or 3 on Thursdays and Fridays, when it gets even worse) unless I absolutely have to.I would think regular commuters would realize after one effort that you accomplish nothing by this. You don't even skip an exit. All you do is block surface streets. No time is saved, if anything, time is lost by this idiotic move. The 91 may be plugged up but it does slowly move. You should see the Gypsum Canyon bridge at 4 pm on a Friday.



I wish to God the cops could do something about it but that would require basically following people who exit on Weird and then get back on at Gypsum. Not feasible, which is why this stupidity continues.


Is there anyone here willing to admit that yes, you exit the 91 east on Weir and get back on at Gypsum? I'd love to hear the logic behind this because it makes absolutely no sense.

It's been like this probably a couple of decades, maybe more. The whole canyon is just a choke point to the IE. What are the cops going to do about it? I've dealt with it for over a decade.

Sorry, it is what it is, get used to it.

[Socalpal]

Originally Posted by Vic Romano

It's been like this probably a couple of decades, maybe more. The whole canyon is just a choke point to the IE. What are the cops going to do about it? I've dealt with it for over a decade.

Sorry, it is what it is, get used to it.

Get used to it? hah...

Sense of entitlement eh for a place you do not even pay property taxes in. "deal with it" another inland empire freeloader. Stay on the freeway so you do not create a hindrance for people that actually pay property taxes in the area.. How about that?

[antarez]

This has been going on a lot longer than 8 years and you bought there anyway? Either you were clueless( didn't check out the area enough) or bought anyway.

Blame yourself or move, it's not changing anytime soon, it's going to get WORSE.

[Des-Lab]

Remember a few years back when Riverside County approached Orange County about temporarily waiving the tolls on the 91 FasTrack while there was some construction on the 91?


OC came back and told RC to basically "shove it....not happening. Those are your people. That's YOUR problem".


Wasn't that epic awesome?

[Vic Romano]

Originally Posted by Socalpal

Get used to it? hah...

Sense of entitlement eh for a place you do not even pay property taxes in. "deal with it" another inland empire freeloader. Stay on the freeway so you do not create a hindrance for people that actually pay property taxes in the area.. How about that?

Really? 15 years in Anaheim Hills, right off of Weir Canyon.

Who's the foreigner from Laguna?