10-14-2008, 08:51 AM
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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In the mid 1990s (I think I do nto remember the dates really well) President Clinton had a "100,000 cops on the street" campaign. Santa Ana got a lot of that money and began a very proactive anti-gang campaign that quickly became a model for other cities. The effort was highyl successfuly and most of the gang bangers moved to Garden Grove and Westminister because Santa Ana had such an unplesant climate for them. For a time, Santa Ana regularly topped the safest cities list for Cities of its size. However Westminister and Garden Grove suffered a substantial increase in gang activity.
The Clinton money is long gone and the Santa Ana police are back to being short handed. Gang actifvity in Santa Ana has increased and the city has dropped to the middle of the "safest cities" list. I do nto know whether West minister and Garden Grove have seen any decrease in gang activity as the bangers moved back to Santa Ana. Garden Grove also has problems with some extremely violent and vile Vietnamese gangs. Thus it gets the negative name calling.
ALso anyplace that is home to a concentration of minorities gets a lot of negativity arising form prejudice. Even when Santa Ana was listed as the safest city of its size in the entire country and it was totally on the upswing in every way, it still got bashing from the all white OC Cities. It is just the way it is. Ugly and unfortunate, but a fact of life. Anaheim and Fullerton are mostly very nice places to live or work (if you avoid the Disney area with all of tis traffic and tourists). I do not know a lot about Garden Grove excapt that Santa Anas gangs moved there for a while. I heard that it has a nice downtown area, but I could not find it (Went looking for it a couple of times with no luck). Anaheim tore down their downtown so it is pretty much just a suburb now. Fullerton has a pretty nice downtown and some of the homes up in the hills are really terrific. Fullerton also features on of the top HIgh schools in Orange COunty (Fullerton Troy). Actually most of the top high schools in OC are in this North/Central area (Troy, Oxford and OCHSA).
If you are prejudice and/or you like bland matching cookie cutter homes, stores, schools etc all the same color, withthe same lawns, and curtains and people and cars and everythign excatly the same - the south county is the best place int eh world for you. A lot of people really like that atmosphere. If you are a variety is the spice of life type person and you like an occaisional challenge, or do not mind some risk, then look at North/Central O.C. It really has a lot to offer.
10-15-2008, 06:58 PM
Location: Paradise/Las Vegas
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What's up with Garden Grove getting hate..."Garden Grave, Garbage Grove...", it appears to have some nice schools (on paper) and a good middle class vibe...surely Anaheim has some good neighborhoods in it, right? Fullerton...come on Fullerton has to have some good stuff going for it, right?? I really want to see the Fullerton Fox Theater when I get out there.
Everyone knows Santa Ana has its illegals...aren't there talks about the city getting gentrified...people even talk about it having a good business climate...as long as you don't intend to send kids to schools there
Because if it isn't like Mission V,or Irvine quality,it doesn't seem to be great.Like I put in a previous post anything west of the 55 is my type of place in Orange County.It's not even that bad.When I visit Garden Grove,ANA,Westminster,Buena Park,I laugh.How can people say these places are below par?Better than the place I'm living at now in SD County.I wish some of you would travel(or even live in for 2 days) to Watts,East San Diego,East LA,parts of Oakland and Miami and then compare that to a Garden Grove or ANA.
10-20-2008, 01:05 AM
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In the mid 1990s (I think I do nto remember the dates really well) President Clinton had a "100,000 cops on the street" campaign. Santa Ana got a lot of that money and began a very proactive anti-gang campaign that quickly became a model for other cities.
ALso anyplace that is home to a concentration of minorities gets a lot of negativity arising form prejudice.
If you are prejudice and/or you like bland matching cookie cutter homes, stores, schools etc all the same color, withthe same lawns, and curtains and people and cars and everythign excatly the same - the south county is the best place int eh world for you.
Interesting information. Santa Ana certainly went through a major change (=improvement) a few years back.
However, I think its complete
nonsense to always attribute criticism to problems in minority communities as prejudice. First you state that Santa Ana had/has a huge gang problem. Santa Ana is mainly occupied by Mexicans and hispanics, so by this you are basically stating that Mexicans create unsafe neighbourhoods that needs extra funding and a big police force to be kept under controll. Then you claim - as if in complete contradiction to your own statement - that areas with a concentration of minorities gets negativity because of "prejudice". Hello...!? Would it even occur to you that these minorities who come to live in the United States cause their own problems by their behaviour, and perhaps they get a reputation based on their own faults and not for any other reason?
Again, you completely contradict yourself by claiming "Gang activity in Santa Ana has increased and the city has dropped to the middle of the "safest cities" list... Garden Grove also has problems with some extremely violent and vile Vietnamese gangs. Thus it gets the negative name calling."
If Vietnamese immigrants generate a lot of gang violence, and "vile" gangs they deserve the negative name calling and has created it themselves. Of course I would not by any means want to live anywhere near these areas where they live. Not because of prejudice, but because of FACTS.
So lets get real here: prejudice is not the same as fact. A fact is not based on racism or prejudice.
The same ridiculous excuses are given on the hug objection to uncontrolled immigration into Europe which floods the countries with new levels of crimes, destroys the cultural traditions in rapid speed, and burdens the social system not to mention make housing close to impossible, and reduce the availability of the free health care everyone has been paying taxes into their entire life. But those who scream racism and prejudice (often the immigrants themselves, of course) don't take in consideration that the largest influx of immigrants are from eastern Europe where people are as white as they can get. In spite of pulling the racsim card at every opportunity recent government data has proven that immigration into UK, Canada, U.S. and Holland all prove the same thing: there are no financial benefits from mass immigration. On the contrary, it ads a negative on government finances of at least 1-3% in total that tax payers have to pay. Nor has the claim that immigrants fill job needs been accurate either. All data shows that the job needs are eventually filled by nationals anyways.
So, facts are not prejudices, racism or hatred. Facts are simply facts. Nothing else.
10-20-2008, 01:09 AM
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The gang problem is showing it's ugly face just about everywhere (Mexican tagging according to police.) And "clown houses" are popping up everywhere as well (three or more families in one home.)
Our mayor, William Dalton, is pretty useless.
Dalton is probably not getting any funding to be able to do anything about the situation. California is broke. The entire country is actually broke, guys! Its been broke for a few years already and its only hit rock bottom.
10-20-2008, 02:02 PM
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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Antibes, you seem to have trouble reading. I did not say that Santa Ana had a massive gang problem. They had and have gangs just like every place does. They certianly had a more severe gang problem in the 1980s than they do now, but it was not ever a massive gang problem. However they lessened their problem by driving out gang members who then moved to nearby cities. I do not attribute the problems in minority communities to prejudice. I attribute the attitudes towards minority communities to prejudice. As I said, even when Santa Ana was the safest city in its size category in the entire United States, people from the all white communities in OC still called it a horrible dangerous place and would not go there. That is prejudice.
Minorities cause the negativity by their bad behavior? There you go attributing the actions of a few to an entire group - that is a generalization and that is the heart of prejudice. What bad behavior do you mean? For example my neighbors often could be found sweeping the sidewalks and even the street in front of their homes with a broom. Is that bad behavior? How about helping my wife carry groceries to the door even though they were unable to speak to her. That is certainly awful. Then there are those awful people who watered my roses for me without my permission while I was away on business. Is that the bad behavior that you mean? Do these people fall into your description of those awful minorities ruining the country.
Certainly there are examples of bad behavior out there, but to attribute such behavior to an entire people is prejudice, pure and simple.
Gangs have always been everywhere. Even Irvine has gangs (including a Nazi gang). Santa Ana just has more of them. Gang concentration tends to follow poverty, not any particular racial group. Gangs may be more prevalent among st racial groups that have higher poverty rates, but poverty and gang involvement are definitely related. Just because one or two particularly vile gangs have choosing a place to live does not justify branding the area or its people as bad. If those unusually nasty gangs move to Irvine, would you then brand the people of Irvine as bad? Would Irvine then be a bad area, or would it be a good area with a problem?
Incidentally, a "contradiction" is when someone makes the opposite factual statement from a prior statement. You must have intended some other term because the contradiction that you recite does not make any sense. It is not a contradiction to say that things were worse than they are now, then they got better, and then slide back somewhat to the bad side. It is not a contradiction to say that people kept assuming that Santa Ana was a bad place even when it got better. Nor is it a contradiction to say that people have branded the entire city of Garden Grove based on news reports of activities so some persons in some parts of that City. That is the equivalent of calling Irvine the Third Reich because they have a Skinhead Nazi gang.
Generalizations are virtually always wrong and always harmful. (Generally they are anyway).
10-20-2008, 03:29 PM
Location: South Bay
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Generalizations are virtually always wrong and always harmful. (Generally they are anyway).
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People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)