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Old 05-10-2020, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Riverside Ca
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Im afraid of a lot of deaths that would be happening anyway are now written up as CV19 related to pump up numbers of the virus deaths
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Old 05-10-2020, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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The trouble I have with the data is it doesn't tell us all we need. Current deaths are 74, up 9 since your last post, but we don't know if those are 9 deaths that happened May 7 to May 9, or if the deaths occurred prior to May 7 and the reporting of them lagged.

87 ICU cases and 218 in the hospital in general, daily new reported cases were 146.

https://occovid19.ochealthinfo.com/coronavirus-in-oc

If Daily Cases (which have never been more than 160 in OC) spike to over 200, do we shut things down? Barricade the county borders to LA and Riverside counties?
Personally, I would rather know than not know the number of OC COVID hospitalizations and deaths. Obviously, none of us is in a position to enact policy changes based upon the findings, since that is up to OC and the state.

As frustrating as it may be on an individual basis, at least we may have some awareness of the reasons behind any potential shift in policy; whether we agree or disagree with the changes.
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Old 05-10-2020, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Im afraid of a lot of deaths that would be happening anyway are now written up as CV19 related to pump up numbers of the virus deaths
I've also some concerns about that, because if an 80 year-old COVID-19+ individual with multiple medical dies, maybe the death is erroneously listed as being due to the coronavirus, instead of the comorbid factors.

Additionally, some nursing homes across he country are reported deaths as "Presumed COVID-19" without any testing or anything else to back it up.

Nevertheless, these same tendencies, if present, have likely always been there, and it does seem that more COVID-19 deaths are being reported in OC.

Last edited by pacific2; 05-10-2020 at 04:59 PM..
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Old 05-12-2020, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Beautiful free Arizona
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Is anyone hearing anything in OC on when they can reopen places like salons and restaurants? I hear Newsome and Garcetti every day but nothing from the OC leaders. I’m now in Az so might be missing something.
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Old 05-13-2020, 07:53 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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Im afraid of a lot of deaths that would be happening anyway are now written up as CV19 related to pump up numbers of the virus deaths
Doesn't sound like it.

Dr. Sally Aiken, president of the National Association of Medical Examiners, said, "Medical examiners and coroners are not part of a conspiracy of death certification to classify all deaths as caused by COVID-19."

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/v...6-209d34aa5636

Dr. Jason Farley, a professor of nursing and a nurse practitioner in the division of infectious diseases of the Johns Hopkins University schools of nursing and medicine, said, "When people have underlying conditions in addition to COVID-19, physicians will make their best judgment call when declaring the underlying cause of death. I think it’s just critical that we understand that clinicians are not sitting there going, 'How can I make this a COVID case when I’m filling out this report?'”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ed/2973481001/
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Old 05-13-2020, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Riverside Ca
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Doesn't sound like it.

Dr. Sally Aiken, president of the National Association of Medical Examiners, said, "Medical examiners and coroners are not part of a conspiracy of death certification to classify all deaths as caused by COVID-19."

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/v...6-209d34aa5636

Dr. Jason Farley, a professor of nursing and a nurse practitioner in the division of infectious diseases of the Johns Hopkins University schools of nursing and medicine, said, "When people have underlying conditions in addition to COVID-19, physicians will make their best judgment call when declaring the underlying cause of death. I think it’s just critical that we understand that clinicians are not sitting there going, 'How can I make this a COVID case when I’m filling out this report?'”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ed/2973481001/
I’m ot saying it’s a conspiracy, but I am saying like the article stated...it’s a judgement call. So a guy goes in with CV19 has COPD and dies suffocating. What killed him. His existing COPD or CV19
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Old 05-13-2020, 05:15 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Is anyone hearing anything in OC on when they can reopen places like salons and restaurants? I hear Newsome and Garcetti every day but nothing from the OC leaders. I’m now in Az so might be missing something.
Irvine approves for outdoor seating for restaurants, tennis and pickle ball courts, Sumer concerts for drive in only.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020...virus-testing/
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Old 05-14-2020, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Beautiful free Arizona
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Irvine approves for outdoor seating for restaurants, tennis and pickle ball courts, Sumer concerts for drive in only.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020...virus-testing/
That’s great! Go Irvine!,, I also heard a rumor that OC riverside San Bernardino and San Diego have joined forces and are going to the governor today with what restrictions they want going forward. Hope it works..
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Old 05-14-2020, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Corona del Mar & Coronado, CA
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Who wants to join a work party this weekend to build barricades on the 5, 405, 91 and surface streets to keep the rabble from LA and IE out?

Here is my vision for the barricades:





Those with great singing voices are especially encouraged to attend.
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Old 05-14-2020, 02:30 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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LA beaches are also open too. I’ve been able to go into a French restaurant in Newport Beach and get food to go. I just need to wear a mask. That’s all.
Costco in a Tustin has toilet paper and everything else again, unlike what I’ve read from San Diego forum.
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