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I just spoke with my longtime friend in Toronto. He paid 56% in taxes, granted, many of them corporate. And that was after all writeoffs.
I love Canada and it is a great country with great people that have a lot of respect for each other. They treat each other well and like to drink tonnes of beer. That alone makes it one of the best countries on earth!
I don't, however, agree with the socialized medicine.
Canadians do not pay 60% in taxes. That is a ridiculous statement made by right wing Americans to scare people into being turned off by universal healthcare. I pay 39% in taxes, that is a far cty from 60%.Also there are many deductions available. I don't know anyone that has gone to the U.S to get a medical procedure. Their are waiting lists for non serious issues but there are waits in certain parts of the U.S as well. Besides even if you pay less in taxes having to come up with $500 a month to pay for health care for your family kind of negates your tax savings.
You are incorrect, and the poster before you is right.
You pay 60%. 39% is only your income tax.. When you add sales and property taxes you are working 180 days plus a year to feed into your socialized system. If you don't know of anyone going to U.S. to get a medical procedure; you will soon. America is the best and most advanced country for medical procedures. In addition, it is the leader in the world for bio-technology and medicine advances.
Canada doesn't fuel ambition like America's "work-for-it" system. I doubt Canada will ever be the World's most powerful. We work for it; This is why America remains the most powerful nation on Earth.
The "work for it"- system is the free market. It is the most powerful and rewarding system for capitalists. All studies has shown a very strong correlation between free markets and prosperity. It is the reason why Cuba is poor, and the U.S.A. is wealthy. History's most recent example is China. China is now the World's fastest growing economy as it adopts conservative principles and the "work for it" system.
Socialized medicine does not support the "work for it" system.
Last edited by youngmoney; 01-02-2009 at 02:06 AM..
The "work for it"- system is the free market. It is the most powerful and rewarding system for capitalists. All studies has shown a very strong correlation between free markets and prosperity.
According to the libertarian Cato Institute, Canada is more free-market than the U.S. barely - Canada's the 7th most free market country in the world whereas the US is 8th.
Interesting how the US was more capitalist under Clinton than under Dubya (the survey came out before the bank nationalizations and bailouts) Makes me wonder if the US economy will become more free market under Obama.
According to the libertarian Cato Institute, Canada is more free-market than the U.S. barely - Canada's the 7th most free market country in the world whereas the US is 8th.
Interesting how the US was more capitalist under Clinton than under Dubya (the survey came out before the bank nationalizations and bailouts) Makes me wonder if the US economy will become more free market under Obama.
Think of what you just said. "More free market?" Under a president-elect who wants to tax guns and ammunition, provide corporate bailouts, raise the corporate tax rate, raise the minimum wage, raise gas taxes, ban offshore drilling, start a new payroll tax, raise fuel regulations on America's big 3, raise the capital gains tax (from 15 to 28%), and begin socialized healthcare.
Since the Clintons first tried to pass a health care initiative, the rising approval of state-run healthcare is not due to higher approval of socialism, but higher costs. An increase indicative of less providers. The government should play. The government should not pay. How about they encourage greater supply through less regulation? Shown in a 2008 CNN Poll, nearly half of U.S.'s primary care physicians said the they would leave medicine in the next 5-7 years if given the opportunity when asked why- they responded, "red tape/government interference."
ObamaCare will not work in the US. In America, only 20% of our doctors are primary care (half of which said they would leave), 80% are specialty. With subspecialty physicians, there is less competition and a ton of inefficiency because doctors must coordinate information and paperwork with 2-3 plus doctors for one patient. In countries with socialized healthcare, primary care is anywhere from 60-80% of the total. Since U.S. only has 20% of it's total practicing primary care, increased access places a huge demand on them. Furthermore, there's not a government run healthcare on sub-specialty doctors available anywhere in the world.
- We need to decrease the costs of medical schools so that more kids can afford to become become doctors (encouraging primary care). It costs almost $200,000 to become a doctor now a- days! It is no wonder we are in a crisis!
-- We need to increase the number of work visas to bring talented new doctors here from China and India. We have 5 million lawn mowers from Mexico come here in the last 10 years, but only 50,000 primary care physicians here permenantly.
-It costs Little Johnny $35,000 to amputate his leg, not because of greed, but because there are so few surgeons.
-The main and only reason why people want socialized care is because they think the lack of competition is driving prices throught the roof. Supporters believe the government can control price. Where do we draw the line? In this ideology, the government should also take over the fuel industry when prices surpass $4/Gallon, or the milk industry when the cost of a gallon passes $5.
-We have 15 million illegal immigrants in this country, which hospitals are giving service to but not collecting payment. How can they collect a debt, or even file a collection, on a social security numbers that were purchased on the black market? Obama wants to provide these folks with ObamaCare and initiate an amnesty, increasing immigration (as history shows). In effect, more American's will pay for more Mexican's healthcare. Why when we can't even afford our own!?
The solution needs to be supply-focused; not tax focused.
BTW during the deregulation under Clinton we still had a republican controlled congress..
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Charlie Gibson, CNBC: "And in the 1980s, when the capital gains tax was increased to 28 percent, the revenues went down. So why raise it at all, given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected?"
Obama: "Well, Charlie, what I've said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness."
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You heard it folks, Obama associates "more taxes, yet less government revenue" with fairness. I think my six-year old can better understand this MORE TAXES, yet LESS REVENUE idea.
Last edited by youngmoney; 01-02-2009 at 09:22 AM..
Think of what you just said. "More free market?" Under a president-elect who wants to tax guns and ammunition, provide corporate bailouts, raise the corporate tax rate, raise the minimum wage, raise gas taxes, ban offshore drilling, start a new payroll tax, raise fuel regulations on America's big 3, raise the capital gains tax (from 15 to 28%), and begin socialized healthcare.
Since the Clintons first tried to pass a health care initiative, the rising approval of state-run healthcare is not due to higher approval of socialism, but higher costs. An increase indicative of less providers. The government should play. The government should not pay. How about they encourage greater supply through less regulation? Shown in a 2008 CNN Poll, nearly half of U.S.'s primary care physicians said the they would leave medicine in the next 5-7 years if given the opportunity when asked why- they responded, "red tape/government interference."
ObamaCare will not work in the US. In America, only 20% of our doctors are primary care (half of which said they would leave), 80% are specialty. With subspecialty physicians, there is less competition and a ton of inefficiency because doctors must coordinate information and paperwork with 2-3 plus doctors for one patient. In countries with socialized healthcare, primary care is anywhere from 60-80% of the total. Since U.S. only has 20% of it's total practicing primary care, increased access places a huge demand on them. Furthermore, there's not a government run healthcare on sub-specialty doctors available anywhere in the world.
- We need to decrease the costs of medical schools so that more kids can afford to become become doctors (encouraging primary care). It costs almost $200,000 to become a doctor now a- days! It is no wonder we are in a crisis!
-- We need to increase the number of work visas to bring talented new doctors here from China and India. We have 5 million lawn mowers from Mexico come here in the last 10 years, but only 50,000 primary care physicians here permenantly.
-It costs Little Johnny $35,000 to amputate his leg, not because of greed, but because there are so few surgeons.
-The main and only reason why people want socialized care is because they think the lack of competition is driving prices throught the roof. Supporters believe the government can control price. Where do we draw the line? In this ideology, the government should also take over the fuel industry when prices surpass $4/Gallon, or the milk industry when the cost of a gallon passes $5.
-We have 15 million illegal immigrants in this country, which hospitals are giving service to but not collecting payment. How can they collect a debt, or even file a collection, on a social security numbers that were purchased on the black market? Obama wants to provide these folks with ObamaCare and initiate an amnesty, increasing immigration (as history shows). In effect, more American's will pay for more Mexican's healthcare. Why when we can't even afford our own!?
The solution needs to be supply-focused; not tax focused.
BTW during the deregulation under Clinton we still had a republican controlled congress..
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Charlie Gibson, CNBC: "And in the 1980s, when the capital gains tax was increased to 28 percent, the revenues went down. So why raise it at all, given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected?"
Obama: "Well, Charlie, what I've said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness."
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You heard it folks, Obama associates "more taxes, yet less government revenue" with fairness. I think my six-year old can better understand this MORE TAXES, yet LESS REVENUE idea.
The "greater good" of community is the course for now on & ironically it was a Republican president to start socialistic government. Please read this commentary: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/02/op...ml?ref=opinion
The "greater good" of community is the course for now on & ironically it was a Republican president to start socialistic government. Please read this commentary: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/02/op...ml?ref=opinion
it's not finite, it's cyclical. Econ 101 and Modern US History
And it's funny that you talk about socialistic government and post Krugman when Krugman is a free-marketer except when it comes to welfare itself
it's not finite, it's cyclical. Econ 101 and Modern US History
And it's funny that you talk about socialistic government and post Krugman when Krugman is a free-marketer except when it comes to welfare itself
Krugman is a realist\ pragmatist who sees the larger picture of responsible growth & environmental safeguards. That makes him anything but a Republican, a party Krugman despites.
Krugman is a realist\ pragmatist who sees the larger picture of responsible growth & environmental safeguards. That makes him anything but a Republican, a party Krugman despites.
Yet he's still a free market capitalist(he's an economist by trade and his record of backing capitalism in general is solid) and you seem to be awfully favorable to the more socialistic closed markets based on your commentary, which is why I find it funny that you were cherry picking
Yet he's still a free market capitalist(he's an economist by trade and his record of backing capitalism in general is solid) and you seem to be awfully favorable to the more socialistic closed markets based on your commentary, which is why I find it funny that you were cherry picking
Krugman is a Franklin Roosevelt Democrat who understands "out of control" markets colluding with "no regulation" Republicans is a disaster for our nation. Your conclusion about me is correct [Green party members support the needs of the common man & strive to lower criminal activities to European levels = a safer world for everyone
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