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Old 10-22-2010, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Mission Viejo, CA / San Rafael, CA
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Just throw the wallet over. I can't believe someone would try and tussle over money with a gun pointed at them.
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Old 10-22-2010, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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I wonder what's going to become of One Broadway Plaza.
One Broadway plaza is still sitting without moving forward. There is little demand for such a building right now. It is a silly idea that appears to be more of a monument to the developer than a real business venture. It seems liklely that nothing will become of One Broadway Plaza and this is probably a good thing.

One Broadway Plaza was approved by voters based on a development agreement that put certain obligations and restrictions on the developer. The conditions were imposed to try to ensure that the good things that the development was expected to bring (new business, taxes, credibility, etc) would actually happen while mitigating the bad things that it would cause (traffic and parking problems, damage to neighborhood living conditions, safety hazards for the schools next door to the proposed location). Recently, the developer asked for relief from some of the obligations and restricitons in the development agreement, despite the fact that he failed ot meet the conditions that had already occurred. The council approved the modifications without voter approval and under voting conditions that may be illegal. A group of citizens known as Citizens for Accountable Government Ethics (CAGE) asserted that the City Council action was illegal and filed a lawsuit to reverse the council decision to abrogate the development agreement.

That is where things stand.

The development agreement required, among other things, that the developer to pay for certain street improvmenets to address traffic issues and safety concerns for the schools. The agreement also required that the building be 50% leased to non-government entities before construction could begin. The agreement also stated that no city money could be used to fund the development.

The idea behind the development agreement was that the building would provide no benefit ot the city if it is built and remains mostly unoccupied, or if it is occupied by merely moving governement agencies from other Santa Ana buildings to this location. (This would only leave empty buildings elsewhere and concentrate traffic in a location where traffic cannot be mitigated). The City is hoping that the building will bring new bsuiness and therefore new tax money into the city. To do that, they need a guaranteed major anchor tenant before the building is built. Government agencies do not pay taxes and so generate no tax money. Besides, most government agencies that are likely to locate in Santa ana are already here.

The proposed location is not downtown, but in mid town. An area of low rise buildings, schools, and historic neighborhoods. The traffic and parking problems caused by this building were identified by the city as unresolvable. There is no good way to get a substantial number of cars between this location and freeways. Despite the problems that cannot be solved, many people thought that with the development agreement, the building would provide benefits to the city that would outweigh the problems it caused. Without the restrictions in the development agreement, the City gets the problems without the benefit. Thus the lawsuit by a citizen watchdog group.

If they would put it in a good location away from neighborhoods and schools and traffic/parking problems (either downtown, or somewhere with good freeway access), it may make sense as long as they can guarantee decent tenants. Otherwise it will likley turn out to be yet another City of Santa Ana debacle. You are correct in noting that they seem to have an attitude of "If you build it, they will come" rather than intelligent development based on actual need, demand and practicality. You cannot just start plopping random buildings and developments willy nilly without planning and addressing traffic, parking, safety and residential concerns. Unfortunately, the council seems more interested in prestige or political advances to worry about sensible planning.

And that is all that i have to say about that.
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Old 10-23-2010, 02:53 AM
 
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This guy was looking for a hip place to hang out instead of boring Irvine.

Man shot, killed during robbery | chung, colon, call - News - The Orange County Register
Fatal shooting prompts escorts for Santa Ana patrons | santa - News - The Orange County Register
Think this will help ?
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Old 10-23-2010, 04:06 AM
 
Location: Here&There
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They are trying to create a "Hip" area there. They are lofts I think . I think that means that you can have a shop downstairs and living quarters upstairs. They were supposed to be like the artists lofts in the artists villiage. I am not sure how they ended up, I have not been in them. If they fill them, it might be a neat place to be. A bit noisey perhaps. Keep your stereo turned up loud at all times. Great freeway access and train access. Not a bad walk to most of downtown if you are a strong walker.

There is nothing much in the immediate area, you would want to be sure that they are going to put something worthwile in the area. The only thing really close is the snack bar at the train station. Otherwise it is mostly an industrial area. They did not build a lot of residences along the railroad tracks.

They did have some nice plans for that area. I do not know what has become of those plans. They probably ran out of money.
They are lofts/galleries. When I was living in O.C. there was a revival of downtown Santa Ana, with a focus on the arts. Grand Central Art Center being one of them, I think they're affiliated somehow with Cal State Fullerton's art program. Haven't been there for years so I'm not sure how it's all turned out now; when I was there, it still seem a little depressed aside from the new erected lofts which wasn't a big area at the time.
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Old 10-26-2010, 10:39 AM
 
Location: MO->MI->CA->TX->MA
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How's the neighborhood around MacArthur and Main? I've recently heard of rumors of new condos being built in the area and it's close to Irvine where I frequent. How's the noise from the airport nearby?
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Old 10-26-2010, 10:51 AM
 
Location: 'Murica
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How's the neighborhood around MacArthur and Main? I've recently heard of rumors of new condos being built in the area and it's close to Irvine where I frequent. How's the noise from the airport nearby?
Are you referring to the high-rises? They are now (very pricey) rentals, but probably the nicest and fanciest place to live in Santa Ana if you're looking for something urban and modern. There was supposed to be another urban-chic mid-rise loft development across the street next to First American, but I think that project is on hold. Lastly, there's an existing apartment community on the NE corner of Main and MacArthur with a separate small condo community on the same property. You won't hear any noise from the airport, but the street noise is quite loud if you leave your windows open.

That intersection represents the edge of the newer corporate developments of Irvine, to the southeast, and the gritter working-class neighborhoods of Santa Ana to the northwest.
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Old 10-26-2010, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Mission Viejo, CA / San Rafael, CA
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Are you referring to the high-rises?
The worst real estate project ever funded in OC.
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Old 10-26-2010, 12:47 PM
 
Location: 'Murica
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The worst real estate project ever funded in OC.
Nice development, wrong location. Something like it would be well-suited for Century City, but it would still need some kind of rooftop facility for event bookings, etc.

The Promenade Point development across the street would even have been a better idea.
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Old 10-26-2010, 12:52 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Not much now that the Register has let everyone know that the escorts are unarmed. That's special!

Santa Ana back in the early 50s was the "city" of OC where there were department stores and other wonders not found in the surrounding towns and villages. To go there, reaching it by driving through orange groves on two-lane country roads was a rare occurrence and real adventure that usually only happened when the time came to shop for school clothes and, perhaps, Christmas.

As a child I found it intriguing and if it had "city problems" way back then, they certainly didn't seem obvious, nor did my parents express any concern about them that I was aware of. To me, going to Santa Ana ensured a lunch out -- another rare occurence.
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Old 10-26-2010, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Mission Viejo, CA / San Rafael, CA
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To me, going to Santa Ana ensured a lunch out -- another rare occurence.
Damn that's sad.
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