04-13-2011, 08:20 AM
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In trying to understand Mello Roos, I found the following information.[SIZE=4]Mello Roos District [/SIZE] [/CENTER][SIZE=2]A Mello-Roos District is an area where a special tax is imposed on those real property owners within a Community Facilities District. This district has chosen to seek public financing through the sale of bonds for the purpose of financing certain public improvements and services. These services may include streets, water, sewage and drainage, electricity, infrastructure, schools, parks and police protection to newly developing areas. The tax you pay is used to make the payments of principal and interest on the bonds. Mello-Roos taxes cannot be deducted if they are assessed to fund local benefits and improvements that tend to increase the value of your property. Mello-Roos taxes may appear on annual county property tax bill with other deductible property taxes. That does not mean one can deduct the Mello-Roos taxes. One may only be able to deduct a portion of the total property tax shown on your bill. [/SIZE] I have gleaned tidbits of information regarding Mello Roos from various sources through my home search but there has remained a certain mystery to the topic. Rather like the old saying of "skeletons in the closet", an awareness existed but nobody wanted to discuss it in depth. I am aware that it is a question to bear in mind during the home search to determine how much it would add to the bottom line. I understand as well that Mello Roos is an additional tax beyond the normal property taxes but the monies are focused on a specific community? Each community developer sets their own level of Mello Roos .... no ceiling placed? What are opinions on Mello Roos? Highly effective and creates a desirable community? Money is poorly managed and you see little return on the 'investment?' Is there a common range of MR fees? What are some of the fees to expect? Then, additionally, housing developments also charge HOA fees? These funds are used mostly for landscape maintenance and to cover staff costs? What to look for and what to avoid?
04-13-2011, 08:27 AM
Location: SW MO
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IMidwestMom
In trying to understand Mello Roos...
Good luck! It's like a time-limited tax which adds to your property tax, HOA dues, mortgage, etc. In other words, it's another way for governmenmt and developers to pick your pockets to provide services your property taxes used to take care of, and should. It can significantly add to the monthly "bite" of home ownership in some communities.
04-13-2011, 08:31 AM
Location: Columbia, California
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IMidwestMom
I understand as well that Mello Roos is an additional tax beyond the normal property taxes but the monies are focused on a specific community? Each community developer sets their own level of Mello Roos .... no ceiling placed?
The Mello Roo's are voted in per city, the developers have nothing to do with the added tax
HOA is by tract. This usually covers water, trash and public lighting plus insurance. Any pool/jacuzzi maintaince and landscaping. The HOA board consists of voted in home owners only. This is a un paid position and is to disperse rules and approve projects.
It is easy enough to avoid both Mello Roo's and HOA fees.
04-13-2011, 09:35 AM
Location: Pomona
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The Mello Roo's are voted in per city, the developers have nothing to do with the added tax
Well, on new developments, they do in a way. This is through the city doing the infrastructure instead of doing it themselves and including the cost in the sales price of the new houses. Both had to be involved in all this, from environmental reports, permits and planning, etc.
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It is easy enough to avoid both Mello Roo's and HOA fees.
Buy an older house!
For 15 minute longer commute, there were some new developments in which I could have bought instead. Running the numbers, though, between the Mello Roos (37-1/2 years left) and the two HOAs (one for the community parks/rec, another for the development's common areas), it would run me nearly $800 a month BEFORE I even paid a single penny for the mortgage.
These are non-deductible expenses that grow year after year. Needless to say, I passed.
04-13-2011, 11:14 AM
Location: Declezville, CA
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Mello-Roos is an end-run around Prop 13. I avoided it by buying a 70-year-old house in an old, formerly agricultural area. No HOA fees either.
04-13-2011, 11:15 AM
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Curmudgeon
In other words, it's another way for governmenmt and developers to pick your pockets to provide services your property taxes used to take care of , and should. It can significantly add to the monthly "bite" of home ownership in some communities.
That is where my thoughts are at, at the moment.
Narfcake said ~
... it would run me nearly $800 a month BEFORE I even paid a single penny for the mortgage .
Yowzer!
04-13-2011, 11:27 AM
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That is where my thoughts are at, at the moment.
Narfcake said ~
... it would run me nearly $800 a month BEFORE I even paid a single penny for the mortgage .
Yowzer!
You got me with the "Yowzer!" I almost spilled my coffee! You can definitely avoid HOA and Mello-Roos fees by buying an older home; and many opt for this very reasonable choice. Still, I think a combined figure of $800/month tends to be on the high side. You can enter an address here and, with a little bit of searching, find-out what the Mello-Roos fees are for a particular Orange County residence:
County Of Orange - Treasurer-Tax Collector's Office
04-13-2011, 11:29 AM
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The Mello Roo's are voted in per city, the developers have nothing to do with the added tax
Developers sell bonds to pay for infrastructure, then the home owners get to pay them off. They're paid on your property tax bill and can be extended. Its basically a tax.
Since when does an HOA for houses pay for water, trash, or insurance? Maybe in condos, but not for houses.
04-13-2011, 12:31 PM
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pacifc2 ~ I suppose proper usage would be to say Yowzah but I've said Yowzer for as long as I can recall. Who knows? Thanks for the link to the Tax collector's Office, I will utilize it later for some more research.
04-13-2011, 12:54 PM
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pacifc2 ~ I suppose proper usage would be to say Yowzah but I've said Yowzer for as long as I can recall. Who knows?
It was funny either way.That's a lot of money.
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Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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You got me with the "Yowzer!" I almost spilled my coffee! You can definitely avoid HOA and Mello-Roos fees by buying an older home; and many opt for this very reasonable choice. Still, I think a combined figure of $800/month tends to be on the high side. You can enter an address here and, with a little bit of searching, find-out what the Mello-Roos fees are for a particular Orange County residence:
