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Sweet! You left living on-top-of-the-world at 7,000 ft to come live-on-the-edge in Oregon. Good move.
Well, the top of the world had no coastline! I mean, I thought it would - even bought some property in the Utah mountains figuring that I agreed with the following theory: "When the San Andreas goes, there's a fault runs right thru the Salt Lake valley into the Utah valley on south. The notion is that the Ochre Mountains on the west will lay-down toward the Wasat (present-day Wasatch) Mountains which will lay down toward the Ochres. This would destroy both valleys and drain the Salt Lake almost into Utah Lake - and they would actually merge near what is called "Point of the Mountain". That would've given me acreage just a few miles from the new coast. Didn't happen. Moved to Oregon. Hello Tsunami!
**posted above by Larry Caldwell regarding Oregon cutting too many trees per day:
"What would you propose we do with them, then? The things grow, you know. Thick as the hair on a dog. You pretty much have to cut them if you want any bare dirt at all."**
Larry, I'm pretty sure I see your tongue in your cheek here - but will try a response.
Before I moved here, seemed like a big deal. Someone sent me some pics of "clear-cuts" and I went "ooooh, nasty loggers". Now, I'm here - yep, there are clear-cuts everywhere ... but "clear" is not quite the word ... there is deadfall everywhere. Trees growing out of trees. Trees growing on top of trees. Stumps as tall as me totally alive ... except for the tree-part that used to be on top. There are lots of them ... but I'm not sure how much damage they really do - it's almost like cutting your hair - it'll grow back!
Well, you brush up against a fantastic point, Larry - that we haven't progressed yet to making the intelligent decisions and braving the new frontiers that our folks raised us for. As a unit, we're still doing woefully stupid things - like, building our houses from wood - like, still not allowing ourselves to assimilate properly into the environment without destroying it - like, missing the point of peacefully co-existing with everything and everybody. But that's all really heady stuff, Larry. I'll leave it to you to finish up. Thanks for the input.
The USA is now importing 55% of its wood fiber, while it burns 2 million acres of federal timber a year. That's insane.
[font="Comic Sans MS"]**posted above by Larry Caldwell regarding Oregon cutting too many trees per day:
"What would you propose we do with them, then? The things grow, you know. Thick as the hair on a dog. You pretty much have to cut them if you want any bare dirt at all."**
Larry, I'm pretty sure I see your tongue in your cheek here - but will try a response.
Before I moved here, seemed like a big deal. Someone sent me some pics of "clear-cuts" and I went "ooooh, nasty loggers". Now, I'm here - yep, there are clear-cuts everywhere ... but "clear" is not quite the word ... there is deadfall everywhere. Trees growing out of trees. Trees growing on top of trees. Stumps as tall as me totally alive ... except for the tree-part that used to be on top. There are lots of them ... but I'm not sure how much damage they really do - it's almost like cutting your hair - it'll grow back!
Forest management is not something that can be done from a distance. Every plot of ground is different. Every hill has two sides.
Along the coast, you will see the only true climax forest in Oregon. The species are spruce and western red cedar, which live much longer than fir and pine. If you see the old photos of loggers cutting trees 15 feet across the butt, that tree was a spruce.
The reason you find climax forests on the coast is that it is generally too wet there to burn. Inland, everything burns. We may have suppressed fire for a while, but it eventually will burn. When the wind blows and the humidity drops, nothing stands in front of a wildfire.
Probably the most famous forest fire in Oregon history was the Tillamook Burn - actually a series of fires. You can read about it at
Oregon Department of Forestry The Tillamook Story (http://www.oregon.gov/ODF/TSF/tillamook_story.shtml - broken link)
The Burn was damaged far beyond the worst of clear cuts. The reforestation effort was the largest in the history of the world. Thanks to the voters of Oregon, the area recovered much more rapidly than would have been otherwise possible. You can drive there to look at it, and if you drive the Wilson River Highway between Tillamook and Forest Grove, you are driving through the heart of The Burn.
That was a particularly massive forest fire, but only one of thousands. Native species have evolved in an environment of continual disasters, and recolonize rapidly. Douglas Fir requires the destruction of the forest to germinate. It will not reproduce under a forest canopy. It needs full sun and mineral soil. If you want Douglas Fir to grow, you have to burn the forest, blow it down or clear cut it. Those are your only choices.
Industral forestry companies treat trees just like a field of wheat. They clear cut, plant, thin and harvest on a set rotation. Selective harvest is not an option, because selective harvest just leaves the genetically inferior trees to reproduce. Two cycles of selective harvest and you have made an unholy mess out of the genetics of a stand of timber, resulting in unhealthy, diseased trees.
Understand that there is a big difference between thinning and selective harvest. A thinning operation removes the defective trees and opens up the stand to allow the trees to grow straight and tall. Unfortunately, there is not much money in thinning. The wood is generally only suitable for pulp. With the falling dollar, pulp prices in the USA will probably rise. Our biggest competitor is Indonesia, where they built a $1 billion pulp mill a few years ago. They are logging SE Asian forests, barging the logs to Indonesia, and pulping them up for pampers and bung fodder.
You can see three types of forest management where you are. The only clear cuts are on private timber, mostly large industrial holdings. The Tillamook and Clatsop State Forest are managed for multiple use. Federal forests are not managed at all, and except for a few tiny timber sales, are not logged either.
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Originally Posted by RockyMtnr
Well, you brush up against a fantastic point, Larry - that we haven't progressed yet to making the intelligent decisions and braving the new frontiers that our folks raised us for. As a unit, we're still doing woefully stupid things - like, building our houses from wood - like, still not allowing ourselves to assimilate properly into the environment without destroying it - like, missing the point of peacefully co-existing with everything and everybody. But that's all really heady stuff, Larry. I'll leave it to you to finish up. Thanks for the input.
The USA is now importing 55% of its wood fiber, while it burns 2 million acres of federal timber a year. That's insane.
Forest management is a work in progress. Trees grow, and Northwest forests can provide a steady stream of wood products for our use with no down side. Not logging is no more sustainable than logging everything. Eventually, forests will burn up or blow down, and a valuable resource will be wasted. I think the state does a pretty good job of balancing wood production with environmental and recreational concerns. Unfortunately, the state has tiny timber holdings compared to private industry and the feds.
My response to the blanket statement about cutting trees is that, in some places, too many trees are being cut. In other places nowhere near enough trees are being cut. In most cases, the decision to cut or not cut is being made by people who have no background in forestry and who have never set foot on the land they are making decisions about.
I will be relocating to the Brookings area in the very near future. I am thinking about opening a metaphysical supply store. I am torn between the spirtual and the physical. Would an adult (ahem) bookstore be more appropriate?
I would like to bring enlightment to the area one way or the other.
I will be relocating to the Brookings area in the very near future. I am thinking about opening a metaphysical supply store. I am torn between the spirtual and the physical. Would an adult (ahem) bookstore be more appropriate?
I would like to bring enlightment to the area one way or the other.
Please let me know
I don't see how an adult bookstore would bring enlightment to anyone. Brookings has a large population of retired people. I don't think they'll much care for an adult bookstore.
Mostly people just buy your ordinary stuff along the south coast.
I doubt an adult bookstore would be very well received. I think your number of patrons would be quite minimal and doubtfully enough to keep you in buisness...there is already one in coos bay which is a larger town and the general population is younger, and i know it barely keeps afloat.
I do think everyone deserves their own dreams and ambitions, but to speak for myself, I would be very disappointed to see another "adult" store go up out here.
At the risk of sounding ignorant, I dont really know what you mean by a "metaphysical supply store"
Id sure love to see another good quality candle/bath supply store come in though! Im addicted..lol
Tiffany
Lincoln City has an adult store. I haven't been in it - but I have been in another store here that is the "Vibrator Museum" ... (?) and inside is the only place in town to order Vegan food.
Lincoln City has a Casino - and a heavily travelled approach-route (Hgwy 18) - and perhaps such a store has a better chance to prosper here - but it's really hard to say and I haven't been in to speak with them.
The enormous profit potential of such a store usually covers any "lack" of business: I was working in one, once upon a time - in a town where the only store was a WalMart ... in the whole county! There were many days that the adult store brought in as much as WalMart - paying two employees that day instead of 50. There was quite the stir and quite the ruckus for a couple of years.
By the way, while I do support the 1st Amendment, I'm not a fan of adult stores It was a job for 3-4 months - one I'd always figured I would love. Well, the product gets really old - but it was the customers that were the final straw for me. Addicted ... in a weird way. Harming themselves - not all of course - but many on a regular basis. Big money! Big waste! I can think about my wife without getting all twisted (so often).
Help people. Stick with the meta-physical. Or, open a Vegan restaurant.
The coast is where many come to retire. Plenty of other types here as well - but it keeps things a tad more on the conservative side than you may be able to function within personally and profitably.
I remember when driving to Coos Bay from the south there was an "adult store" called "Filled with Fun" right across the street from an elementry school.I think their sign said "Filled with Kids".Anyway the adult store caught fire(some how) but I think it re-opened.Around the corner was a topless place-Gentlemans Club.I really don't think the location was good but from what I heard the Dunes golfers enjoyed them.
What would you propose we do with them, then? The things grow, you know. Thick as the hair on a dog. You pretty much have to cut them if you want any bare dirt at all.
The USA is now importing 55% of its wood fiber, while it burns 2 million acres of federal timber a year. That's insane.
Larry, I hadn't seen your post before today - forgive the delay ... even though it doesn't appear to need any real commentary from me. (but I'm gonna flap my finger-lips just a little, anyway ... thanks).
At first, I was appalled at pics of clear-cuts. Then, I realized it's a mere "haircut" compared to some areas. I've seen massives ones though - and that ain't cool.
However ... years ago, there was a lumber-shortage all over the world. I don't know the years but I'm suspecting in was the "Snowy Owl" years. During that time, according to hear-say, Japan (or Japanese interests) came in, bought up lumber by the shipload - wrapped it all in permanent-tarp and dropped it into the Sea of Japan - a hedge against future shortage.
I'm wondering if the same thing isn't going on still ... and also now wondering if that 55% we import is imported from Japan?
Now, to answer your question of "what do you propose we do with them" ... Yo! I don't know! I will repeat what I've said before - and that is, building with wood is not such a smart idea. Not that there's anything better (is there?) but simply because losing our trees has changed the weather in many parts of the world. Reportedly, even here, in the northwest.
Also, in the northwest, everything rots! I can see building with wood in Wyoming - almost nothing ever rots or rusts there - but here, it seems almost self-defeating to pay 200K - 3 million and more for an item that requires more maintenance than my mother-in-law!
Since I gave up hope or desire to ever build my own alternative "get-away", I've not stayed so "up" on new building ideas ... but I would certainly like to see some!
I think that person should open an adult bookstore in Brookings. All those horny retired old goats...... Plus, being conservative makes the forbidden all the more attractive.
I am a Conservative and I disagree. Garbage is garbage regardless of your age or affiliation
I also doubt the city fathers will allow another location five year old troll, or otherwise. Trolls are great; this thread should have been sanitized five years ago.
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