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[karlsch]

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[Minervah]

It's all over the news now. Kinda makes one think. I did not care for their ads at all. They just seemed really phony. Why couldn't they just come out and say what they were really selling? I think they just insulted the voters' intelligence. I just don't trust 'em. Whatever they are selling.

[downnice]

I support it because we can make bank on it. Me lets make money and put responsible taxes on it.

If this pass unemployment will drop to 6.5%

[Steve Pickering]

They say if it passes they will build it. They are just pulling their ad's because it seems Oregonians don't seem to understand that the Casinos are here. They just don't pay taxes. There is no reason to fight stupidity.

[Minervah]

Originally Posted by Steve Pickering

They say if it passes they will build it. They are just pulling their ad's because it seems Oregonians don't seem to understand that the Casinos are here. They just don't pay taxes. There is no reason to fight stupidity.

Yes and that's fine if it passes because people want it. As I have said, my biggest gripe was with the ads. They told us nothing about the intent from the begining and in my opinion confused the issue. To me it just appeared they were trying to cover up the fact that they were trying to bring in a casino which made them appear as if they were guilty of something. Look at their first ads, they talked about playgrounds, shopping and entertainment. Why couldn't they say "and a casino?" It just made them sound sneaky.

Now that we know more about it, I think we can make informed decisions as to how we are going to vote on the issues as to what it will bring and/or what it will not bring to Oregon.

[Larry Caldwell]

I'm not in favor of turning Oregon into another Nevada, which is what the long term result of the constitutional amendment would be. Heck, I voted against the state lottery which, if you recall, was supposed to be dedicated to "economic development." It didn't take long for them to dump the economic development and just funnel the money into the general fund. Just open the door and greed will do the rest.

[SoakingWet]

Originally Posted by downnice

If this pass unemployment will drop to 6.5%

Not necessarily true. A casino in Portland may take away business from the tribal casinos in Oregon.

[oregonwoodsmoke]

Since there has never been any secret that the project is for a casino, all I can think is that those who did not or do not know that the project is a casino aren't the type that pay attention to what is going on in politics or legislation. It is not a reason for me to vote against because they haven't been paying attention.

It's not the very best idea to base all voting on the political ads that are out right before elections. That particularly applies to voting for candidates, but it also applies to voting for measures.

My thoughts: it is not going to induce gamblers to take up gambling. Oregon is already covered wall to wall with places to gamble. You can already gamble at every bar and at every convenience store and gas station.

It will generate a lot of tax revenues. I'm in very much in favor of voluntary taxes. If someone wants to pay gambling taxes, good for them. I prefer to not pay gambling taxes, so I don't gamble. But, hey, if gamblers desire to voluntarily shoulder a higher percentage of the tax burden, let them.

Some of that tax generated will come from out-of-state visitors. Finally. I do not want to have a sales tax, but in the meantime, visitors don't contribute to the Oregon tax base. With a nice casino and tourist attraction, the tourists can voluntarily give to the Oregon state tax base, without increasing taxes on the rest of us.

There is gambling tax money leaving the state every day on flights to Las Vegas. It's OK with me to keep some of that money in Oregon.

I don't think it will harm the Native American casinos. They are destination resorts, for the most part, and they can always up their offerings. They already must induce gamblers to drive past all the video poker parlors and come to stay with them. People will willingly drive to the beach because gambling is only part of the draw. Or, a day can be spent camping and fishing and then the evening for a buffet and a show with a name Country Western singer. Gambling is not the sole reason for going to a casino; it is generally just a part of a larger vacation or day out.

The existing casinos might have to up their game. Or, some of them might. A couple of the casinos are already darn good at marketing themselves.

[Steve Pickering]

Originally Posted by oregonwoodsmoke

Since there has never been any secret that the project is for a casino, all I can think is that those who did not or do not know that the project is a casino aren't the type that pay attention to what is going on in politics or legislation. It is not a reason for me to vote against because they haven't been paying attention.

It's not the very best idea to base all voting on the political ads that are out right before elections. That particularly applies to voting for candidates, but it also applies to voting for measures.

My thoughts: it is not going to induce gamblers to take up gambling. Oregon is already covered wall to wall with places to gamble. You can already gamble at every bar and at every convenience store and gas station.

It will generate a lot of tax revenues. I'm in very much in favor of voluntary taxes. If someone wants to pay gambling taxes, good for them. I prefer to not pay gambling taxes, so I don't gamble. But, hey, if gamblers desire to voluntarily shoulder a higher percentage of the tax burden, let them.

Some of that tax generated will come from out-of-state visitors. Finally. I do not want to have a sales tax, but in the meantime, visitors don't contribute to the Oregon tax base. With a nice casino and tourist attraction, the tourists can voluntarily give to the Oregon state tax base, without increasing taxes on the rest of us.

There is gambling tax money leaving the state every day on flights to Las Vegas. It's OK with me to keep some of that money in Oregon.

I don't think it will harm the Native American casinos. They are destination resorts, for the most part, and they can always up their offerings. They already must induce gamblers to drive past all the video poker parlors and come to stay with them. People will willingly drive to the beach because gambling is only part of the draw. Or, a day can be spent camping and fishing and then the evening for a buffet and a show with a name Country Western singer. Gambling is not the sole reason for going to a casino; it is generally just a part of a larger vacation or day out.

The existing casinos might have to up their game. Or, some of them might. A couple of the casinos are already darn good at marketing themselves.

I don't gamble often, but I do go to the casinos.

The real point is the existing casinos do not pay taxes. This new casino will pay more in taxes in one year than the existing casino's have donated in ten years combined.


Good post by-the-way.

[Larry Caldwell]

Existing casinos are government owned and fund their government, it's just not your government. I take it your gripe is that the money is not going into your pocket?