Oregon's Critical (Dying) Counties (Portland, Salem: unemployment, landlord, to live)

[Larry Caldwell]

Originally Posted by hamellr

And by doing so in a sensible manner we can not only increase the over all yield of the forest, but we can also increase habitat for a variety of species.

Good point. Too many trees kills many species. One thing I really like about The Nature Conservancy is that they manage their land for species preservation, which means they conduct logging projects whenever needed. The tree huggers are not real conservationists, they just want to turn national lands into giant tree museums.

[Pahn]

Originally Posted by hamellr

And by doing so in a sensible manner we can not only increase the over all yield of the forest, but we can also increase habitat for a variety of species.

Completely agreed. Let's use some sense.

But industry doesn't like to use sense. Rather, they concern themselves with short term profit.

The fisheries are going to eat themselves alive, yet you can't tell them that. Logging would do the same, if they were allowed.

[Larry Caldwell]

Originally Posted by Pahn

Completely agreed. Let's use some sense.

But industry doesn't like to use sense. Rather, they concern themselves with short term profit.

The fisheries are going to eat themselves alive, yet you can't tell them that. Logging would do the same, if they were allowed.

Industrial forestry in Oregon does just fine on their lands. The whole industry has been forward thinking and progressive. Oregon passed the first Forest Practices Act in the USA to put a leash on irresponsible logging operations.

Your real objection is that public lands are not well managed. Ownership of the land rests in Washington DC, in the hands of a bunch of politicians who have never set foot on the land. They treat federal forest land like political spoils, either encouraging overcut like Reagan, or encouraging negligent overgrowth like the current policy. If the politicians would allow local management of forest resources within guidelines, most of the problems could be resolved. Unfortunately, they don't have the foggiest notion of the difference between national forests and O&C lands.

That big fire near Yosemite last month was made many times worse by the fact that there were NO logging roads in the area. It was impossible to move people and equipment in to fight the fire, on hundreds of square miles. Nobody is agitating to log the area, because there are NO mills within 100 miles that could take the lumber. Think about that. Public policy has destroyed an entire industry in that area, and the resulting conditions on the ground destroyed hundreds of square miles of a valuable resource, which could have been preserved with responsible management.

[rdickers]

Oregon's critical (Dying) counties, could be changed to Oregon's murdered and/or destroyed or imprisoned counties. The truth is that the political policies that guide the state are directed by the environmentalists, the global warming nuts, the Agenda 21'ers,etc. When locals attempt to pump some life into their own county, it is like three wolves and a sheep deciding on what the next meal will be. The one size fits all decisions from Salem are more responsible for the "dying" counties than are any of the other factors. I know, some on the forum will demand proof, but I ask them to produce proof that the "wolves" policies are not what's killing the sheep.

[rdickers]

Originally Posted by hamellr

And by doing so in a sensible manner we can not only increase the over all yield of the forest, but we can also increase habitat for a variety of species.

Please define sensible. Who is we?

[hamellr]

Originally Posted by rdickers

Please define sensible. Who is we?

Sensible = Based on current and ongoing Forestry Science

We = Every Human Being.

[Larry Caldwell]

It's not possible to manage timber resources to a standard. Even in local areas, microclimates make a huge difference. I have nice stands of fir, and land that would never grow a fir tree, within 300 yards of each other. It takes careful inspection of each parcel to determine what the best management practice would be. Sweeping laws are nonsense. Management by people who have never seen the land is nonsense.

[rdickers]

Originally Posted by hamellr

Sensible = Based on current and ongoing Forestry Science

We = Every Human Being.

I just read where forest area burned thus far this year in Oregon is the greatest since 1911. So, tell me, how can current and ongoing Forestry Science be defined as sensible?

[Larry Caldwell]

Originally Posted by rdickers

I just read where forest area burned thus far this year in Oregon is the greatest since 1911. So, tell me, how can current and ongoing Forestry Science be defined as sensible?

The forest area that burned is not being managed. However, Oregon didn't have that bad a fire season, compared to years past. Maybe your article was referring to California? They had a really bad year down there.

[rdickers]

Originally Posted by Larry Caldwell

The forest area that burned is not being managed. However, Oregon didn't have that bad a fire season, compared to years past. Maybe your article was referring to California? They had a really bad year down there.

The information I got was from Gail Whitsett's news letter out of K-Falls.