Pumping gas? (Adrian: sales tax, living in, cars)

[barbieGuitard]

When I first moved to Oregon from SC a year ago. I had the same thing
happen. A man came running out in a panic over pumping my own gas. I was told that it all stared when some women left her gas pump in and drove
away with it still in the gas tank and then somehow it sparked and blew up the whole gas station, then Oregon passed that law. This is what I was told, not sure of its truth, but he seemed to know what he was talking about.

[EnricoV]

Originally Posted by One Thousand

Proponents of slavery claimed that it was in the slaves best interest to accept slavery because they were being housed and fed so they should be happy for that service. What's the difference between that and pump service if the service is being forced on you against your will?

I think I've seen it all. I never thought I'd see the day someone would equate being unable to pump your own gas with slavery.

[karlsch]

Originally Posted by EnricoV

I think I've seen it all. I never thought I'd see the day someone would equate being unable to pump your own gas with slavery.

Even more important than the slavery question is:
WHAT WOULD JESUS DO??? Would he allow somebody to pump his gas??? Would he pump his own gas??? Would he pay cash, or would he use a credit card issued by THE MONEY LENDERS FROM THE TEMPLE???

Excuse me, I have to go take my pill.

[One Thousand]

Originally Posted by EnricoV

I think I've seen it all. I never thought I'd see the day someone would equate being unable to pump your own gas with slavery.

Yeah, that's the thing about oppression: You don't realize you're missing a freedom until you try to use it.

I had two cars damaged by gas attendants, I was under a de facto arrest while waiting for them and my schedule had limitations (small, but annoying) on gas days.

If you find full-service of benefit to you, more power to you... but please consider that some of us have been terribly inconvenient and a little costly and ask yourself why your demand for full-service is justification for my inconvenience... Why do I owe you so much that you're willing to support governmental use of force (inherant in any government act) to coerce me?

[EnricoV]

What you fail to appreciate is WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. It's not us ... and then the government. It's all us. We decide on what rules we will cooperate on. Unless you're the sort of a person who has to have everything go your way, you learn to live with the rules we've all agreed upon, even if you weren't in favor of it. If you don't like it, campaign against it. But don't just sit there and ***** that THEY are imposing something on us.

And if you really want force and tyranny imposed by THEM ... I guess you didn't live through the gas-shortage days of the 70s. When on certain days you weren't even allowed to buy gas. OMG!

But, yes, I do appreciate that a lot of you have been inconvenient.

Welcome to life.

[One Thousand]

Originally Posted by EnricoV

What you fail to appreciate is WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. It's not us ... and then the government. It's all us.

Actually, (without getting complicate,) it's 51% of the electorate who is the government at any time. The only place we're in 100% agreement is a need for mutual defense and order.

If we were all the government, there'd be no need for the Bill of Rights... because the majority always respects the minority.

We decide on what rules we will cooperate on. Unless you're the sort of a person who has to have everything go your way, you learn to live with the rules we've all agreed upon, even if you weren't in favor of it.

Everyone didn't agree on slavery. Should everyone of just lived with it? (No intent for drama, just weeding out the underlying beliefs.)

If you don't like it, campaign against it. But don't just sit there and ***** that THEY are imposing something on us.

What makes you think complaining and citing my issues aren't campaigning? I'm appealing to your good sense about the unjust hardship I suffer unnecessarily.

And if you really want force and tyranny imposed by THEM ...

Tyranny is gradual. If you disregard my concerns about gas pumps, you'll slide to the next step toward it. You'll slide so far that it's too late to do anything practical aboutit.

But, yes, I do appreciate that a lot of you have been inconvenient. Welcome to life.

I find it interesting that you'll minimize my grievance, yet not answer my questions.

What does anyone who doesn't want full-service owe you or anyone else? Why does your desire for it outweigh the hardship I experience?

[EnricoV]

Originally Posted by One Thousand

I find it interesting that you'll minimize my grievance, yet not answer my questions.

What does anyone who doesn't want full-service owe you or anyone else? Why does your desire for it outweigh the hardship I experience?

Hardship? I find your so-called grievance is petty. Extremely petty.

You had cars damaged? How? Cosmetically? Pfft. It's just a stupid car. Scratches, dings, dents are all petty inconveniences. And to get all het up over something like that is having your priorities all out of whack, and probably means you spent too much money on it. So your car doesn't look "perfect" as it goes down the street? Big deal. Spend a little more and get it fixed.

[One Thousand]

Originally Posted by EnricoV

Hardship? I find your so-called grievance is petty. Extremely petty.

You had cars damaged? How? Cosmetically? Pfft. It's just a stupid car. Scratches, dings, dents are all petty inconveniences. And to get all het up over something like that is having your priorities all out of whack, and probably means you spent too much money on it. So your car doesn't look "perfect" as it goes down the street? Big deal. Spend a little more and get it fixed.

You still didn't answer my question. What does anyone owe you?

Whether you find it petty or not, it's my property that is important to me. Why do feel the right to infringe on that value of mine?

[Metlakatla]

Geez, move out of the state already...try Alaska where you get to pump your own gas at forty below. I haven't seen a single post by you that isn't full of bitterness and anger towards Oregon. Please leave.

When I first moved to Oregon from SC a year ago. I had the same thing
happen. A man came running out in a panic over pumping my own gas. I was told that it all stared when some women left her gas pump in and drove
away with it still in the gas tank and then somehow it sparked and blew up the whole gas station, then Oregon passed that law. This is what I was told, not sure of its truth, but he seemed to know what he was talking about.

Uh yeah, that was me.

[EnricoV]

Originally Posted by One Thousand

You still didn't answer my question. What does anyone owe you?

Whether you find it petty or not, it's my property that is important to me. Why do feel the right to infringe on that value of mine?

I infringed on nothing. Someone else may have. I do have the right to not give a fig about it.

And what you, and me, owes everyone else (including me) is this .... to follow the laws that we, the people, have agreed upon by passing into law. Sure, it's your free choice to follow them or not, but if you don't you'll have to suffer the agreed upon penalty.