Oregon has a strong Libertarian base (Portland: low income, rent, crime rates)

[Larry Caldwell]

A good example of keeping government out of private lives. Oregon is at the very bottom of the list.

https://www.upworthy.com/why-oklahom...sht-list?c=bl3

[Squidlo]

Oh man. Oregon tops the list where it is easiest to kill your fetus. I am prouder now to have been born in Oregon. I mean look at the odds! I AM A WINNER! I made it out of the womb alive!

[Larry Caldwell]

You big government types are all the same. If you don't like something, the gummint should make it illegal. Well, I remember when it was illegal to get an abortion in Oregon. There were teenage girls performing abortions on each other, squirting their uterus full of pHisohex and sucking it back out with a vacuum cleaner. Making abortions illegal didn't stop abortions, they just made them unsafe and killed or ruined a bunch of young girls who often didn't even know for sure that they were pregnant.

Maybe you would be proud that Oregon leads the nation in providing pre-natal care for expectant mothers, which greatly reduces premature babies, birth defects and infant death.

[Squidlo]

I am hardly for big government. I just dont think completely unrestricted abortion is the best way to go.

With freedom comes responsibility. Ru486 should have ended the debate. Hell, they should sell it in bars.

I will take it one step further I dont want to pay for your abortion, rent & transportation either.

That pretty much lets me out of big gummint.

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Also, social scientists from all over the world are visiting Portland to research out our sub culture 30-50,000 people who work for cash only at local businesses and then colect welfare, housing subsidies, free health care... and make a very fine living doing so.

[Leisesturm]

Originally Posted by Squidlo

I am hardly for big government. I just dont think completely unrestricted abortion is the best way to go.

With freedom comes responsibility. Ru486 should have ended the debate. Hell, they should sell it in bars.

Pay grudgingly now, or pay dearly later. Civilized countries realize that unwanted children do not make the best neighbors. Do you want to be responsible for the flood of unwanted children that would result if abortion services were denied totally? RU486, like other beneficial products to humanity that are somehow tied to sex, has been restricted, vilified and pushed to the back corners of public awareness. It's done here. Mainstream birth control, should have ended the debate, but the very people forming protest gauntlets around abortion clinics also do not want women to have anything to do with birth control. They want them to abstain! That's mostly because misery likes company. What's your excuse for caring what other people do with their bodies. And spare me the "I don't want to pay for it" talking point. If I thought it would really shut you up, I'd pay you the $25 that was your portion of Planned Parenthood's yearly operating budget.

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[hamellr]

Originally Posted by Leisesturm

Civilized countries realize that unwanted children do not make the best neighbors.

Weird how when Abortion was essentially legalized across the US that crime rates doubly digit dropped eighteen years later.

I'm not saying there is a causation, but the people most likely to get abortions are lower income people. Who in turn tend to have lower income children who grow up to be low income adults. Who in turn tend to turn to crime more often then people who are middle class.

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Originally Posted by hamellr

Weird how when Abortion was essentially legalized across the US that crime rates doubly digit dropped eighteen years later.

I'm not saying there is a causation, but the people most likely to get abortions are lower income people. Who in turn tend to have lower income children who grow up to be low income adults. Who in turn tend to turn to crime more often then people who are middle class.

I highly doubt there is a true relationship between abortion and crime. But I suppose there has to be between abortion and social services money.

[Squidlo]

The point I was trying to make is that there is some responsibility in the unwanted pregnancy game. Say we dont need/want all these unwanted babies born. What exactly is the root cause? It would cost less to sterilize the people you dont want to have babies than to grant free abortions.

Does that hurt your sensibilities?

We are a culture of enablers. You let it happen and support it.

You can take the money from my pocket, I do not have to think that its "OK".

Blazer that is interesting. I would love to see some linkage to that.

[FVWinters]

Whatever your views on Abortion, the law of the land has legalized it. And the legislation enabling it has passed constitutional muster in a variety of court challenges.

Rather than beat one's breast over abortion, it would be better to insure that no one ever feels it necessary to have one. Supporting such organizations as Planned Parenthood and making contraceptive devices more readily available than at present and at costs even the impoverished could bear would go a long way towards that end.

We have allowed abortions to be legal and relatively safe. Lets go one step further and make them rare.