View Poll Results: Regardless of my personal views on the measure, Measure 91 on the Fall 2014 Oregon ballot will:
Pass
67 84.81%
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08-24-2014, 09:19 PM
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Steve Pickering
I will fight it aggressively. Oregon does not need a gateway drug, and anyone who thinks it isn't is either a user or not living in the real world. I predict this is too controversial for this forum and will meet it's demise sooner than later.
Read this:
Experts debate whether marijuana is a 'gateway' drug - ABC2News.com
08-24-2014, 09:32 PM
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BendLocal
Facts not allowed in this debate…
The entire "gateway drug" concept as it concerns marijuana is nothing more than wholly unsubstantiated nonsense made up by people who want to tell others what to do. People can look around and see that marijuana isn't hurting anyone, so in an effort to keep it illegal, they make up stories about how it leads to being a meth-shooting crackhead turning tricks for a fix.
Why don't we go ahead and label coffee or soda or cigarettes or beer "gateway drugs" too? Makes about as much sense. Isn't it amazing how people can have their morning coffee without feeling the need to go snort a line of cocaine that evening? Kind of like how one can smoke a joint and not feel to go shoot heroin the next morning.
But this does illustrate the trouble marijuana is going to have on the ballot. For decades, the government and various control freaks have pushed a bunch of silly made up nonsense to scare people, and lots of people have been duped, unable to see that the whole thing is about nothing more than money and control.
08-24-2014, 10:01 PM
Location: Bend, OR
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Uhg.
There is a difference between physical (chemical) addiction and that of mental (psychological) addiction. Not a single person will go through physical withdraws from marijuana other than psychosomatic manifestations. Alcohol, which is legal, on the other hand? You will go through a VERY rough physical DT and it is one of the rare drugs whos DTs can actually kill you.
Yes, WoW is really that addictive and harmful
Re: "Gateway Drug". To me, if they took pot off the black market and put it into legitimate stores there is no way I would have gone to a friends house at 14 to buy some pot and then also been offered mushrooms and acid. This "problem", literally, solved.
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08-24-2014, 10:03 PM
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Any pleasurable activity can be as addictive? I have my doubts.
Is sex addiction is chemically based? No. Is it a real thing? Yes.
Is video game addiction chemically based? No. Is it a real thing? Yes.
The chemical compounds in cannabis do not cause physical dependency. It is not chemically addictive. It is purely psychological, it does not have anything to do with the substance.
08-24-2014, 10:08 PM
Location: Wilsonville, OR
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Is sex addiction is chemically based? No. Is it a real thing? Yes.
It should be noted that our psychological states are ultimately the result of the chemical and physical states of our brains. Nothing is ever truly "purely psychological". Marijuana affects these states and over time certain neurotransmitter receptor sites can become downregulated. People who use cannabis heavily and quit suddenly can experience sleeplessness, extremely vivid rebound dreams, upset stomach, mood swings, and other symptoms. In this sense, it
is chemically addictive. What we really should be saying is that marijuana does not cause physical or psychological dependence or withdrawal symptoms associated with harder drugs like opioid painkillers, cocaine, meth, etc or anything that binds to opioid receptors or directly affects dopamine reuptake or release.
08-24-2014, 10:14 PM
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It should be noted that our psychological states are ultimately the result of the chemical and physical states of our brains. Marijuana affects these states and over time certain neurotransmitter receptor sites can become downregulated. In this sense, it is chemically addictive. What we really should be saying is that marijuana does not cause physical or psychological dependence or withdrawal symptoms associated with harder drugs like opioid painkillers, cocaine, meth, etc or anything that binds to opioid receptors or directly affects dopamine reuptake or release.
Again, any pleasurable activity has an effect on the chemicals in your brain, even listening to music. Cannabis is no different. Running causes a release of endorphin, nobody would call it a "chemically addictive drug".
Even if you form a habit of running for the endorphin release, you are not chemically addicted to running.
08-24-2014, 10:15 PM
Location: Wilsonville, OR
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Again, any pleasurable activity has an effect on the chemicals in your brain, even listening to music. Cannabis is no different. Running causes a release of endorphin, nobody would call it a "chemically addictive drug".
Well, considering the word endorphin literally means "endogenous morphine" and these chemicals bind to opioid receptor sites, it actually
could be considered a kind of chemical addiction. The difference is instead of injecting or ingesting it, you are manufacturing it within yourself.
Don't get me wrong, I am FULLY in support of both state and federal marijuana legalization, and am a frequent consumer of both bud and oil (and sometimes oil-coated bud!). I just think we should be totally honest with our language and descriptions.
08-24-2014, 10:22 PM
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Well, considering the word endorphin literally means "endogenous morphine" and these chemicals bind to opioid receptor sites, it actually could be considered a kind of chemical addiction.
It would be a stretch.
By those standards, everything
could be considered a kind of chemical addiction. Again, any pleasurable activity changes your brain chemistry, even listening to music.
It still is completely true that the chemical compounds in cannabis themselves do not cause a physical dependence upon them. Cocaine, amphetamines, etc... DO cause a physical dependence on the chemicals that make up the drugs.
I am all for being completely open and honest with our language, and truthfully, unless you consider all pleasurable activities to be "chemically addictive" then you can't count cannabis as being "chemically addictive". It is certainly not the same thing as other drugs, even legal drugs like alcohol, nicotine, caffeine.
08-24-2014, 11:53 PM
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IIs video game addiction chemically based? No. Is it a real thing? Yes.
Source?
08-25-2014, 12:02 AM
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This discussion got me googling and this came up.
Marijuana | Brown University Health Education
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No one would argue that marijuana is as addictive as alcohol or cocaine. However, it's wrong to say that it is not at all addictive. More and more studies are finding that marijuana has addictive properties. Both animal and human studies show physical and psychological withdrawal symptoms from marijuana, including irritability, restlessness, insomnia, nausea and intense dreams. Tolerance to marijuana also builds up rapidly. Heavy users need 8 times higher doses to get the same effects as infrequent users.
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Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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