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Old 09-11-2020, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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There is no exagerration of these fires. Basically, the fire season in Oregon in 2020 is 3 times worse than normal and it's threatening much more populated areas than it nornally does.
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Old 09-11-2020, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Fires are mostly going to be a *personal* problem for you if you choose to live in rural forested areas or along the exurban/wildland fringe. The towns getting burned (which is tragic) are all isolated mountain towns tucked into steep remote wooded valleys.

The larger cities tend to be much more defensible. That isn't always the case as with Santa Rosa CA last year. But it is generally the case. Colorado won't make you safe from fires. A few years ago the entire city of Colorado Springs nearly went up in smoke and some suburban areas around the city were burnt to the ground.

Every place has it's poison. Here in the west it is mostly fire and earthquakes. In the Gulf Coast region it is hurricanes. In the plains and midwest it is floods and drought. In the southwest it will be extreme heat and drought.
I don't know about all of the towns getting burned, but Talent and Phoenix are definitely not mountain towns tucked into steep remote wooded valleys. It's an urban area with a population of 11,000 surrounded by miles of flat farm land. The main fuel for the fire seems to have been the greenbelt next to the freeway.

I don't know what to think about the wildfire problem anymore, except that we need way better firefighting capabilities, and probably a fleet of 747 Supertankers.
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Old 09-11-2020, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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I think the media always exaggerates. Every time I google "vaccine news" the news keeps trying to discourage people from the excitement of a vaccine, then another day, they make you feel excited about a vaccine. Also the media is probably underestimating the coronavirus case counts due to crappy testing systems. I'd say the media is exaggerating about wildfires. There are no real news these days.
In that case move to Oregon and experience it for yourself.
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Old 09-11-2020, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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I don't know about all of the towns getting burned, but Talent and Phoenix are definitely not mountain towns tucked into steep remote wooded valleys. It's an urban area with a population of 11,000 surrounded by miles of flat farm land. The main fuel for the fire seems to have been the greenbelt next to the freeway.

I don't know what to think about the wildfire problem anymore, except that we need way better firefighting capabilities, and probably a fleet of 747 Supertankers.
From the look of things, the main fuel for the fire in Phoenix and Talent was buildings, plus flammable landscaping and trash. I bet a lot of those people didn't even bother to clean the tinder out of their gutters.

I wonder if some of those neighborhoods will get around to installing fire hydrants? If there's no water, there isn't much a fire department can do.
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Old 09-11-2020, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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I don't know about all of the towns getting burned, but Talent and Phoenix are definitely not mountain towns tucked into steep remote wooded valleys. It's an urban area with a population of 11,000 surrounded by miles of flat farm land. The main fuel for the fire seems to have been the greenbelt next to the freeway.

I don't know what to think about the wildfire problem anymore, except that we need way better firefighting capabilities, and probably a fleet of 747 Supertankers.
That was the point of my post (#14) in this thread... the area wasn't heavily-wooded and hard to access,
it was farms and towns, and right beside I-5 in a flat valley. Yet Talent and Phoenix couldn't be saved.

Yes, it seems what's needed is a quantum jump in firefighting capabilities. During hazardous conditions,
there probably ought to be a fleet of little drones airborne 24/7 to spot fires as soon as they start.

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Old 09-11-2020, 01:27 PM
 
Location: WA
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From the look of things, the main fuel for the fire in Phoenix and Talent was buildings, plus flammable landscaping and trash. I bet a lot of those people didn't even bother to clean the tinder out of their gutters.

I wonder if some of those neighborhoods will get around to installing fire hydrants? If there's no water, there isn't much a fire department can do.
Yep. And you still see things like wood shake roofs in fire zones. Sun River used to REQUIRE them until they changed their codes a few years back. You also see lots and lots of big woodpiles near or next to homes all over rural Oregon because so many people still heat with wood stoves.
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Old 09-11-2020, 01:30 PM
 
Location: WA
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That was the point of my post (#14) in this thread... the area wasn't heavily-wooded and hard to access,
it was farms and towns, and right beside I-5 in a flat valley. Yet Talent and Phoenix couldn't be saved.

Yes, it seems what's needed is a quantum jump in firefighting capabilities. During hazardous conditions,
probably there ought to be a fleet of little drones airborne 24/7 to spot fires as soon as they start.
That would require:

1. A quantum leap in taxes in rural areas to pay for this quantum leap in firefighting capabilities, and
2. A quantum leap in building regulations and restrictions on rural property in the wildlands/urban interface.

Good luck with either of those. There are parts of southern Oregon where they aren't even willing to pay for police protection.
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Old 09-11-2020, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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From the look of things, the main fuel for the fire in Phoenix and Talent was buildings, plus flammable landscaping and trash. I bet a lot of those people didn't even bother to clean the tinder out of their gutters.

I wonder if some of those neighborhoods will get around to installing fire hydrants? If there's no water, there isn't much a fire department can do.
From the videos I have seen, at least of Talent, the fire burned along the Bear Creek Greenway, then spread to the commercial buildings along Highway 99, then to trailer parks and apartments between Highway 99 and Talent Avenue. Fire hydrants were present in the area that burned. Even if they weren't FD Pumper Tanker trucks can take care of that. I doubt that if gutters were clean or not had much impact on the fire.
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Old 09-11-2020, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Salem, OR
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Not sure where you're getting your information (do you have a link for the set of arsonists arrested in OC?), but here's what LE in other parts of the state have to say about the arson rumors.

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/ver...1-982b904c5545

The Sweet Creek fire by me was started by an arsonist, but he was a local with mental health issues and not affiliated with "antifa." The one in Ashland is still under investigation but looks like it was could be arson.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ac8_story.html
I'll try and find the link. I've read so many articles. I'm not talking about the cuckoo crazy antifa rumors. Big fires like these always bring out the arsonists as they get excited by the fires.
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Old 09-11-2020, 02:59 PM
 
Location: on the wind
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Silverfalls State Park is on fire so the whole park is cleared of people and closed. Scotts Mills was evacuated already and Silverton is a Level 2.
It is so hard to imagine Silverfalls burning! A place I'd love to visit during the rainy season when the falls were roaring. I remember seeing so many migrating rough-skinned newts on the trails you could hardly avoid stepping on one. Lifetimes before the area recovers again if it ever does.
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