Liberals & Conservatives (Winston: move to, best, rain)

[freedom]

ExNYC,

History is not rocket science, it is very simple to read about, as none of us were there. I don't appreciate digs. I think we can communicate without venom.

I am a product of public school this is true, but California not Oregon. I never thought of public school as education. My real learning came after my release of the Public baby sitting organization.

Here are some words for you to contemplate.

In 1620 the Pilgrims, under the guidance of Governor Radford, landed at Plymouth Rock. For the first two years the guiding principle was "from each according to ability, to each according to need – and by force." Starvation ensued and the colony neared extinction. However, in the third year, Radford, in consultation with the adults of the community, agreed on a system of private plots and self-reliance. Results the next summer were astounding. Productivity shot up, and a community spirit of voluntary sharing replaced the harsh laws that guided the first two years.

Freedom solved the problem of starvation

[Brett]

Originally Posted by ExNYC

Since when did Plymouth Colony falter because the original settlers 'got lazy and wanted access to the food storage but didn't want to work the farm'?

I believe he was reffering to the Jamestown VA colony... bunch of rich POMs who though they were going to get rich without working due to the success of the Spainyards in the Carribean. It's where the phrase "No Work, no eat" originated.

Lets all try and keep it civil here.

[freedom]

Brett,
I was refering to Plymouth. Not Jamestown. That is why I said Plymouth.

[ExNYC]

Originally Posted by freedom

ExNYC,

History is not rocket science, it is very simple to read about, as none of us were there. I don't appreciate digs. I think we can communicate without venom.

I am a product of public school this is true, but California not Oregon. I never thought of public school as education. My real learning came after my release of the Public baby sitting organization.

Here are some words for you to contemplate.

In 1620 the Pilgrims, under the guidance of Governor Radford, landed at Plymouth Rock. For the first two years the guiding principle was "from each according to ability, to each according to need – and by force." Starvation ensued and the colony neared extinction. However, in the third year, Radford, in consultation with the adults of the community, agreed on a system of private plots and self-reliance. Results the next summer were astounding. Productivity shot up, and a community spirit of voluntary sharing replaced the harsh laws that guided the first two years.

Freedom solved the problem of starvation

It's Bradford. Governor William Bradford. The saying, "From each according to his ability to each according to his need" was from Karl Marx. There is much about your post which is inaccurate but I will let you do your own research. I apologize for the earlier wisecrack.

[Brett]

Originally Posted by freedom

ExNYC,

History is not rocket science, it is very simple to read about, as none of us were there. I don't appreciate digs. I think we can communicate without venom.

I am a product of public school this is true, but California not Oregon. I never thought of public school as education. My real learning came after my release of the Public baby sitting organization.

Here are some words for you to contemplate.

In 1620 the Pilgrims, under the guidance of Governor Radford, landed at Plymouth Rock. For the first two years the guiding principle was "from each according to ability, to each according to need – and by force." Starvation ensued and the colony neared extinction. However, in the third year, Radford, in consultation with the adults of the community, agreed on a system of private plots and self-reliance. Results the next summer were astounding. Productivity shot up, and a community spirit of voluntary sharing replaced the harsh laws that guided the first two years.

Freedom solved the problem of starvation

I thinks that your assuming that correlation=causation here. There were a lot of factors involved in the problems of the Plymouyth Colony the first two years. They arrived late (in fall) and so were unable to plant crops and forced to eat their seed grain, the supply ships came late and with fewer supplies then needed, and the residents of england were ill prepared for the harsh New England Winters. All of those things played a large part in the casualties the first year.

In fact it is arguable that if it had not been for the supplies that they had gotten (by gift, trade or theft) from a society that practiced communal agriculture, they may well have all died.

There is an assumption that the Colonists arrived on a blank slate of a continent- this was far from the case. The New England tribes had been practicing intensive land managment for centuaries. The fact that colonists had a place to plant crops was because the Natives cleared land and burned the underbrush (to attract deer), and as the colonists grew more and more native crops (which were adapted to the native climate) their agricultural output improved.

[Clear2land]

We are now Off Topic in dealing with The Plymouth Colony. If you wish to debate more about this new topic please head over to the General US Forum?

Calling all troups, calling all troups...to get back onto the threads Oregon politics topic?

Thanks,

Clear2Land

[Brett]

(looks over shouder) wow how did we end up in Plymouh anyway?

[snb3]

Back to the subject @ hand.
My questions to those that proclaim themselves to be Liberal. No need to tell me, just consider this yourself:

As a moderate conservative soon to be in OR, would it bother you to have me as a neighbor? Ashland is sweet and personally, so what if they consider themselves blue. I live in Hollywood and that aspect couldn't really matter as it wouldn't matter for me anywhere in OR.

The blame game is endless. There's enough to go around for everyone. And you'll never have everyone agreeing with you on everything.

[Brett]

I care less about my neighbors politics then I do their ability to maintain their lawn.

[freedom]

As long as you are fine with hearing someone's differing opinion and seeing periodical protests. As a builder the politics that I mostly hear about is being blamed for the advanced speed of growth. I like that people are free to express their belief and have it criticized or not. Continued discussion gives new insights from time to time. The trick for me is to not let it get emotionally negative, and be able to accept backward liberal thinking for what it is, and conservative selfishness, and greedy idealism for what it is. Somewhere in lies the balance for the majority, As a conservative I am glad to a certain degree that the house is Democratically heavy, it just might slow the boys down, and weed out corruption on both sides, and just maybe cause those in the highseats to be less partisan, (yeah right)