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Old 02-06-2007, 12:22 PM
 
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We're in Medford, OR. We've been here 13 years and we've had enough. The extreme growth, overcrowding, pollution and poor economic standing of the city is enough for us. Housing costs are ridiculous. Wages are still low. Respect for open spaces and the area's history is non-existent. So, my question is, where can we go in Oregon that is still a healthy place to live? We want higher elevation, snow in the winter, a forward thinking community somewhat on the Liberal side of things, good recreation, affordable homes and clean air and water. Does it exist in Oregon or anywhere else, for that matter? Thanks.
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Old 02-06-2007, 04:10 PM
 
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in my opinion, all those things do not exist anywhere together anymore. if a place is nice, the developers have already invaded.
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Old 02-06-2007, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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You might want to take a look at Klamath Falls. I believe they are less expensive then Medford. They have snow in winter. There are some smaller towns around that area that you may wan to consider if crowding is an issue.
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Old 02-06-2007, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Tcv41,
Developers have already invaded?
As a developer I feel that my work provides property & homes for people that want to move into a given area. Medford has grown because people want to move there. Some people want to leave. God bless America for the freedom to be able to do so.......

There are beautiful spots throughout Oregon, people like roads to get to them. Driveways to approach the house so things can be carried in. Trees cut, in order that building pads can be provided for the home. Oh yeh and dealing with the most difficult development codes in the nation, by way of State, county, and city govt's.
I don't get the blame the developer position. Maybe you can elaborate it for me so I am not a invasive developer.

freedom
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:35 PM
 
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extreme growth in Medford? You've seen nothing til you've seen SoCal Suburbia. In terms of 21st century living, I've yet to see a better place than Oregon. There was a time even in Socal, when I was little, was wide open. I remember orange groves in Irvine, what is now $1 million 2200 sq ft tract homes. I remember Lion Country Safari in Irvine also which is like that animal park near Roseburg where you drive through the park to see the animals. You Oregonians have it so well, your state is so beautiful.
My wife and I are actively planning on relocating there but yeah, the job market there looks tough. Thats really the only thing stopping us now, not many jobs available and much lower pay than here.
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Old 02-07-2007, 09:44 AM
 
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I remember orange groves in Irvine, what is now $1 million 2200 sq ft tract homes.
I remember all that you mentioned and I moved out of So. Cal. to get away from that. Now the same type of thing is happening here. Pear Orchards are being removed for housing tracts, etc. Our air quality and traffic are much worse. Yes, So Cal beats it all, but we're well on our way to getting there. Give this place another 20 years and it will resemble the San Gabriel Valley.

To the Developer who took offense to my earlier post, ask yourself what you are doing to improve an area, beyond putting your salary in your pocket. Are you building with the environment in mind? Are you offering "green" alternatives? Are you taking a stand and only building on large lots instead of cramming as many houses together on a tiny piece of land as possible? You, as a developer, could actually make things better. Instead, you use the excuse that you are only doing what people "want" and just doing your job. If that's all that is important to you, then you've made my point about growth being unstoppable. Whatever, the case, I didn't want an argument here, just information on where to move that is growing more wisely.
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Old 02-07-2007, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Snaketotum,

I wasn't offended by your post, my post was addressed to tcv41. I respect your opinion of where you don't care to live. TCV41 was blaming developers, that is rediculous.

As to where I build and develop it varies, larger more expensive homes are on 5 acres or more. Starter and affordable homes are on smaller lots (the city governments force the density of a given zoning, they say how many lots are required in a subdivision-not the developer), it is supply and demand. Hillside acreage is more expensive to develop (power,roads, excavating the site, foundation construction). One thing is for sure, they all sell, which to me means that they are in demand. Don't begrudge someone for making a living it is after all what billions of people do everyday. If I happen to put more effort, risk, and applied knowledge into being productive that should be applauded. It sure beats when I was on food stamps 15 yrs. ago.
Green building, there are some products and applications that are beneficial and superior. At this time in its evolution it is more a marketing pitch that has a touchy feely aspect to it. With time and sincerity it may progress into a viable process that lives up to the "GREEN" title. Any good builder/developer wants to use the best and most affordable processess and materials in order to provide a superior product. This is after all what competition inspires.

As to where to go. Get in your mode of transport and visit all 4 corners. Map out a trip and see the beautiful state. Otherwise I sense your just unhappy with your life and are complaining that it is unfullfilled based on outside circumstances. Which happens to us all from time to time.

Best wishes,

freedom

freedom
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Old 02-07-2007, 12:52 PM
 
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Tcv41,
Developers have already invaded?
As a developer I feel that my work provides property & homes for people that want to move into a given area. Medford has grown because people want to move there. Some people want to leave. God bless America for the freedom to be able to do so.......

There are beautiful spots throughout Oregon, people like roads to get to them. Driveways to approach the house so things can be carried in. Trees cut, in order that building pads can be provided for the home. Oh yeh and dealing with the most difficult development codes in the nation, by way of State, county, and city govt's.
I don't get the blame the developer position. Maybe you can elaborate it for me so I am not a invasive developer.

freedom
Guess I hit a nerve there. Nothing personal against you in particular but this is what my experience has been: New development burdens existing infrastructure that taxpayers end up paying for and dealing with, not developers who rarely live where they build. More people moving into an area creates pollution and traffic that residents have to live with, not developers. Views and other aesthetics are affected by new development, but developers don't care, they just want to make a buck and get out. Many new structures are built to minimum standards that do not mesh with existing standards. Sprawl creates more dependence on cars and thus more pollution and creates more isolation - studies have shown youth raised in far-flung suburbs tend more toward depression, drugs and suicide. You can look all these things up for yourself rather than take my word for it.

Also, having been a reporter for many years and covering city hall, I know for a fact that developers most often get what they want, community be damned, and city officials (the ones not on the take) who try to hold them to stricter standards are simply outmaneuvered by lawyers, and that the development lobby is often involved in writing the laws and standards that apply. Personally, I think there should be a moratorium on spec building, infill and rehab should be mandatory (with proper oversite and intelligent zoning, unlike what's going on in Bend, for example) and the standards and codes should be made much, much more stringent. The additional costs should be made up by some formula between home buyers and developer profits.

Thanks.
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Old 02-07-2007, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Guess I hit a nerve there. Nothing personal against you in particular but this is what my experience has been: New development burdens existing infrastructure that taxpayers end up paying for and dealing with, not developers who rarely live where they build. More people moving into an area creates pollution and traffic that residents have to live with, not developers. Views and other aesthetics are affected by new development, but developers don't care, they just want to make a buck and get out. Many new structures are built to minimum standards that do not mesh with existing standards. Sprawl creates more dependence on cars and thus more pollution and creates more isolation - studies have shown youth raised in far-flung suburbs tend more toward depression, drugs and suicide. You can look all these things up for yourself rather than take my word for it.

Also, having been a reporter for many years and covering city hall, I know for a fact that developers most often get what they want, community be damned, and city officials (the ones not on the take) who try to hold them to stricter standards are simply outmaneuvered by lawyers, and that the development lobby is often involved in writing the laws and standards that apply. Personally, I think there should be a moratorium on spec building, infill and rehab should be mandatory (with proper oversite and intelligent zoning, unlike what's going on in Bend, for example) and the standards and codes should be made much, much more stringent. The additional costs should be made up by some formula between home buyers and developer profits.

Thanks.
Your information is incorrect, in fact for So. Oregon the majority of builder/developers live in the communities that they develop (check with the local home builders assoc. to confirm). New development pays for future and existing development through system development costs, in Jackson and Josephine county. Even a tree knows it must grow or die, towns are no different. Sprawl has been deemed as a negative, without it we wouldn't have had an expansion into the west to begin with. Freedom is what prevails in this nation, if you like the structure of Europe so much why do you stay in Oregon?
Council meetings, development code and every other issue involving the community are open public forums. I think the majority is what you have issue with. The majority like to see progress that is why towns grow. There are plenty of areas that do not grow, people have the right to go there. Just as the OP has stated, he wishes to find a place in Oregon that does not grow like the I-5 cities do. He has the freedom to move and find his preferred place to dwell. It is just to easy for people to blame, rather than to look at the whole picture of a community and understand what makes it tick.....
If people are jealous of successfull hard working builders and developers there is nothing that can change that but themselves. One thing for sure, I will not sit idley by and not answer foolishness and blanket stereotypes being executed on my trade....

freedom (to grow and prosper, to give and receive)
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Old 02-07-2007, 05:47 PM
 
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When I went to Oregon, I found most of the homes in construction were being built by local builders, unlike Socal where the builders are multistate corporations. The wealth stays locally and can't see any drawbacks to this. Hint: population is growing, unless you're Ted Kaczinski, you have to go with the flow. As for greasing the wheel, I'm sure it happens everywhere but then, where's the money going to come from for improved infrastructure? Kinda like did the chicken or the egg come first? Politicians on the take? It seems they are always the ones you disagree with, since it can be said all are on the take, depending on what the issues are & if you agree with it.

On a side note, the most recognized politician championing "green" values and its currently nominated film, travels only via private jet, has 4 homes between he & his wife (none with "green" energy), used to receive royalies for drilling under one of his properties, father owns stock in the petro-chemical industry. Go figure...
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