06-21-2009, 02:26 PM
Location: Salem, OR
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I am a primary care doctor in Florida currently, but have been wanting to relocate out of state, and I have been very interested in Oregon since I visited there a few years back. I really only got to see a small corner of the state (did a 2 day whirlwind of Portland, and a drive to the coast to Tillamook and then up to Astoria). I really enjoyed what I saw, and recently have been reading this forum and exploring sites on different places in the state.
I am not sure I could take the grey gloominess and rain of winter along the coast, but wouldn't rule it out altogether. I am kinda torn with wanting to have some nightlife/activity nearby (nightlife for me includes movie theaters, good selection of restaurants, maybe a few retail chains such as Target, Walmart, BestBuy in the area, couple of gyms since I like to workout). I do want to explore some of the west side of the Cascade towns such as Eugene (college towns are usually great places to live), Salem, maybe even down towards Medford. I think though I am a little more interested in areas such as Bend, due to the higher degree of sunny days, more apparent seasons, and it seems there are a lot of outdoor activities there...from the pictures I have seen looks more like a "mountain" town if you know what I mean.
Not sure there are any other medical professionals on this forum or not, but for anybody in the know, how is the climate for primary care jobs out there? Seem to anybody like there is a demand? Usually in my field I can find something almost anywhere if I look hard enough. I kinda like that Bend is slightly smaller/more rural (compared to Portland that is).
One thing that bothers me a bit when I have looked online to get an idea for housing prices out that way is the number of foreclosures and for sales listed in Bend. What the heck is going on in that community? It sounds like maybe a lot of what was going on down here in Florida was happening up there, i.e., people bought properties to invest/flip and the bottom fell out. Doesn't appear to be too much in the way of industry in Bend, so there probably really isn't anything to fuel the growth that it has had in real estate. Is there a mass exodus going on in that town? Is it a big California refugee/retirement haven? Those factors can have a big impact on my line of work (if people are leaving en masse, doctors may become over-represented in that town or not have enough business to keep them going). Would be good to know what the socioeconomic pulse is for that place.
Another town I was interested in checking out was Klamath Falls. Haven't seen really anything on the Oregon forum about that town. Other than fewer people, how does it compare to Bend? I heard it gets more snow. I know Crater Lake is not too far away. Is there much to do in Klamath Falls (other than outdoors activities)? How is it doing economically? What kind of people do you find there?
Outside of Portland where I know they are pretty progressive, how tolerant are most Oregonians to alternative lifestyles, especially in areas I am looking? (I am happily involved in a same sex relationship...we are both friendly, conservative, straight-laced kind of people with very normal interests, definitely don't push the envelope around anybody). Just don't want any crosses burning on my front lawn! Any advice appreciated.
06-21-2009, 03:17 PM
Location: Oceanside and Chehalem Mtns.
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Bend is in a death spiral right now. The town experienced high growth over the last decade or so which was driven a lot by Californians cashing out and sinking their equity into Bend real estate.
This fueled a huge growth in the construction industry and other related business.
The housing bust put an instant stop on the influx of newcomers to Bend. That in turn dried up the Bend construction industry. In addition Bend depends a lot on tourism but that's also dried up since it's based discretionary spending which is being cut back. Lastly Bend really has no industrial or manufacturing base.
It remains to be seen when Bend will hit bottom because it's still in a freefall. However it also remains to be seen if it will ever see much of a recovery or just flatten out and remain stagnant.
P.S. In general Oregon is pretty tolerant to alternate lifestyles.
06-21-2009, 03:46 PM
Location: Salem, OR
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Bend has been a tourist destination so the only economy was tourism, which is in the toilet. If was a retirement haven because it does get more sun there than the valley. I think unemployment is in the 17-20% range out there. Bend is in bad shape.
I also agree that generally speaking Oregonians are pretty tolerant to alternative lifestyles, but the smaller the town gets...generally the more conservative. I know the Salem area is short about 150 physicians for our population. They can't get enough of them out here and it is a real problem. You'd have no trouble here.
Salem does not have the nightlife that Portland or Eugene have because we only have small private universities here but we would meet your general criteria. You should make a trip out because Portland, Salem, Eugene, and Bend are all very different.
06-21-2009, 04:49 PM
Location: The beautiful Rogue Valley, Oregon
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I don't think there is a town on the east side of the Cascades (including Bend) that isn't underserved by primary care docs, in many places to the point of crisis.
Klamath Falls is a very outdoors-oriented town, but it's much smaller and more rural/ag oriented than Bend. In Bend the recreation is skiing/snowboarding, mtn bikes, hiking, in K Falls it's hunting, fishing, hiking, if you see the difference. If nightlife and shopping are important to you, Klamath Falls not the right pick - we have one small theater that shows only the big blockbusters, no Target, no Costco and, with the country-wide closure of Gottschalks, no department store: for those you go to Medford or Bend.
06-21-2009, 04:53 PM
Location: Salem, OR
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Well, just booked my flight for a trip out around Labor Day. Unfortunately I can't get enough time off of work to go any longer than the 3 day weekend, but I am going to try to fly out a few more weekends whenever I can in the fall to check some more areas out in detail. I am going to try to do a driving loop from Portland over to Bend, back to the eastern Cascade range cities up and down I-5. I know it's not long enough to really see anything, but I can at least get a quick glimpse to start with of a few towns/cities.
Thanks for the heads up about Salem, although, like I said, not sure about all that rain. Always good to look for an area you are in demand/wanted though. Not sure how the salaries for primary care compare to down in Florida.
06-21-2009, 05:07 PM
Location: Salem, OR
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Welcome. I am sure you will find a city that works for you and they will be happy to have a primary care physician on board...
06-25-2009, 01:12 PM
Location: Portland, OR
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Exactly. I don't imagine there is a city, with the possible exception of NYC, where a physician would not be in demand. So it is down to what the FloridaMD wants. Me, I would pick Portland or its close suburbs but that's me. Given the druthers outlined in the o.p. I would think its the FMD as well. Sometimes doctors move where they are needed because of that fact and deal with the lack of sophistication of their surroundings. Maybe for awhile, maybe for longer than that. It's not an area where we can advise. The physical and social characteristics of Portland vs Bend vs The Coast vs Ashland are well documented on this site and others. The effect of the clouds and rain though are heavily overrated IMO. Unfortunately there is only one way to find out if that is true in your personal opinion.
H
06-27-2009, 02:18 PM
Location: Oregon
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If you can get a job as a doctor anywhere in Eastern OR you will live like a king......Unemployment is high, housing in freefall.....You'll soon be able to get a 4000 sq ft Mac Mansion in Bend for less then 200K....Read the BendBubble II blog.....He's lewd, crude & sarcastic but he's on top of the Bend RE Market & social scene.......
06-27-2009, 05:53 PM
Location: Salem, OR
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Leisesturm
Exactly. I don't imagine there is a city, with the possible exception of NYC, where a physician would not be in demand. So it is down to what the FloridaMD wants. Me, I would pick Portland or its close suburbs but that's me. Given the druthers outlined in the o.p. I would think its the FMD as well. Sometimes doctors move where they are needed because of that fact and deal with the lack of sophistication of their surroundings. Maybe for awhile, maybe for longer than that. It's not an area where we can advise. The physical and social characteristics of Portland vs Bend vs The Coast vs Ashland are well documented on this site and others. The effect of the clouds and rain though are heavily overrated IMO. Unfortunately there is only one way to find out if that is true in your personal opinion.
H
Well I have done some preliminary searching on some of the physician recruiter websites, and the jobs seem to be scattered around the Portland area, but also lists some areas looking in Coos Bay, Bend, Hood River area (patient population 50% hispanic though...must be a big agricultural area? I don't speak Spanish, so that's out), and Klamath Falls area. i am taking a trip over Labor Day weekend to check some towns out. Granted these are just jobs posted on the recruiter sites, I bet if I talked to the medical staff offices at various hospitals I could find out if there are any unpublished openings. A lot of times things can be had just by word of mouth and calling around. I have noticed some of these remote towns do offer some nice incentives to lure practitioners there. I really despise areas with a lot of traffic, so that's why I am not sold on the Portland area. Plus i would rather not get into a practice that demands you see 30 to 40 patients a day, because you just can't practice good medicine running around like that, which is quite often what you get around the bigger cities. I think I like the slower paced places to live, just as long as it's not too far of a drive from things like movies, shopping, etc. I don't know about weather. I think it would be nice to be somewhere I can see some snow part of the winter. Actually miss that being in Florida.
08-26-2009, 01:02 AM
Location: where the moss is taking over the villages
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Dr:
Here are some direct websites for the Willamette Valley & WA:
Mission Statement (http://www.peacehealth.org/apps/jobsonline/default.asp - broken link) <- this page is the gatekeeper to the job pages - locations in Eugene, Cottage Grove, Springfield & WA (other names for the hospital: Sacred Heart & Riverbend)
Home - Job Opportunities - McKenzie-Willamette Hospital
Eugene is has quite an actively out gay population. It's a friendly town. Very liberal for the most part. I don't know much about the alt lifestyles anywhere else in OR.
Southern Oregon may give you more sun than Portland to Eugene, with less severe winter than Bend, from what I've read on these forums.
Good luck in your quest!
Kate
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Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)