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There is one good thing to come out of this election. You can bet Oregon will go Republican in the next election. This was political suicide for those who run in May and November.
Any families earning 250k a year in a recession can easily afford a slight increase in taxes. If people actually helped others instead of having the "Me me me!" attitude, then they wouldn't need to implement these taxes.
What the hell does someone need 250k a year for in the first place? A more ridiculously large and unsustainable house? Another gas guzzling SUV? 500 dollar bottles of wine? A bigger plasma TV?
Give me a break, half of the world lives on less than $2 a DAY and you people cry out "socialism" because the government is trying to help those in need since none of the greedy fat rich people will. And no, not every poor household is made up of lazy black people that don't work and collect welfare for crack money. It is all races, all ages, and some of the people who work the hardest and most strenuous jobs who are the ones that are hurting right now.
Any families earning 250k a year in a recession can easily afford a slight increase in taxes. If people actually helped others instead of having the "Me me me!" attitude, then they wouldn't need to implement these taxes.
What the hell does someone need 250k a year for in the first place? A more ridiculously large and unsustainable house? Another gas guzzling SUV? 500 dollar bottles of wine? A bigger plasma TV?
Give me a break, half of the world lives on less than $2 a DAY and you people cry out "socialism" because the government is trying to help those in need since none of the greedy fat rich people will. And no, not every poor household is made up of lazy black people that don't work and collect welfare for crack money. It is all races, all ages, and some of the people who work the hardest and most strenuous jobs who are the ones that are hurting right now.
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You know this is so sad. You're the one doing the me, me, me thing. So...I know someone who is in that tax bracket. Has a child with autism and has a parent they support in assisted living. So while YOU think they are rich...seriously they are not. So are you suggesting that that person not step up to the plate and care for their own family? Should they not be socking away money to pay for their child's care when he hits adulthood? Should they just let taxpayers take care of their kid?
Not everyone is Phil Knight. "Rich" people have problems too folks.
Any families earning 250k a year in a recession can easily afford a slight increase in taxes. If people actually helped others instead of having the "Me me me!" attitude, then they wouldn't need to implement these taxes.
What the hell does someone need 250k a year for in the first place? A more ridiculously large and unsustainable house? Another gas guzzling SUV? 500 dollar bottles of wine? A bigger plasma TV?
Give me a break, half of the world lives on less than $2 a DAY and you people cry out "socialism" because the government is trying to help those in need since none of the greedy fat rich people will. And no, not every poor household is made up of lazy black people that don't work and collect welfare for crack money. It is all races, all ages, and some of the people who work the hardest and most strenuous jobs who are the ones that are hurting right now.
OMG s0c1al1sm!!11
Well how bout you Oregonians that wanted this tax increase really help those in need and implement a 9.5 sales tax like the one we have in king county, washington. I mean then the government can really capitalize on helping the poor. Why do I not see more in Oregon asking for a sales tax? Or is it because those who voted yes knew this tax increase would most likely not affect them. I find it a little hard for people to claim social justice when the government asked to raise taxes on 2% of the people. To me that seems like it was singling out a small minority of people. Why not raise taxes on 50% of the people instead? It only seems a bit more "fair" considering the Oregon government is working for the people of Oregon. Shouldn't everyone in the state be inclined to pay a fair share.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
-Winston Churchill
We contend that for a nation to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
-Winston Churchill
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You know this is so sad. You're the one doing the me, me, me thing. So...I know someone who is in that tax bracket. Has a child with autism and has a parent they support in assisted living. So while YOU think they are rich...seriously they are not. So are you suggesting that that person not step up to the plate and care for their own family? Should they not be socking away money to pay for their child's care when he hits adulthood? Should they just let taxpayers take care of their kid?
Not everyone is Phil Knight. "Rich" people have problems too folks.
You know this is so sad. You're the one doing the me, me, me thing. So...I know someone who is in that tax bracket. Has a child with autism and has a parent they support in assisted living. So while YOU think they are rich...seriously they are not. So are you suggesting that that person not step up to the plate and care for their own family? Should they not be socking away money to pay for their child's care when he hits adulthood? Should they just let taxpayers take care of their kid?
Not everyone is Phil Knight. "Rich" people haveproblems too folks.
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I find the above to be such an amazing out of touch sentiment
While I agree that ‘rich people have problems too’, by definition, money isn’t one of them. I find it so hilarious that most people who make $250K+ a year consider themselves to be ‘middle class’. How they can ignore that fact that only 1.5 percent of Americans make that kind of money is beyond me. Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.
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There is one good thing to come out of this election. You can bet Oregon will go Republican in the next election. This was political suicide for those who run in May and November.
Well, do you have any polls, newspaper articles, or anything in print that will back up that statement. I would very much like to know.
Are there any US congress Representatives in danger of losing their seats in November 2010? Is Senator Wyden in danger of losing his seat? In January of 2010, it looks like Senator Wyden could win by about 10 points or so come November elections.
From the viewpoint of someone in Portland and who has seen the grass roots organization of the politics in Multnomah county, it will be a long up hill battle to make you statement come true. Really, a long up hill battle.
I would like to know how you can conclude a swap from such a strong liberal voting pattern to ANY support for a Republican agenda.
You know this is so sad. You're the one doing the me, me, me thing. So...I know someone who is in that tax bracket. Has a child with autism and has a parent they support in assisted living. So while YOU think they are rich...seriously they are not. So are you suggesting that that person not step up to the plate and care for their own family? Should they not be socking away money to pay for their child's care when he hits adulthood? Should they just let taxpayers take care of their kid?
Not everyone is Phil Knight. "Rich" people have problems too folks.
How am I the "one doing the me, me, me thing"? I don't collect any assistance from the government. And I pay my fair share of taxes even though I make less money than what qualifies you to be in the poverty level. But it's not a problem for me, because I am content with my life. I feel fortunate to have clean water, a roof over my head and an adequate supply of good nutritious food. I am fortunate that I haven't lost half of my family in a natural disaster or from disease. But for these people who earn 250k every single year and live in complete luxury compared to 95% of the world (yet for some odd reason still don't think that they have a lot of money) nothing is ever good enough. They need nicer cars, bigger houses, and more furniture. Meanwhile 40,000 people each and every day starve to death because they don't even have food.
Awwww, I feel so bad for your rich friend who has to pay for one parent and a child, it must be so hard! If they can't put away enough money to pay for their child's care when they make 250k each year, then they are either selfish as hell or have terrible money management. There are people earning FRACTIONS of your friend makes who have to support parents (and can't afford to send them to some ritzy assisted living place) and kids of their own. Tell your friend that if he/she is so concerned about their child's future, then maybe they didn't need to swap their 08' escalade for a 2010 escalade or have granite countertops installed throughout their house.
I stopped posting here due to Cornerguy’s heavy handed censorship, but Jeez, I’ve got to respond to this thread…
I find the above to be such an amazing out of touch sentiment
While I agree that ‘rich people have problems too’, by definition, money isn’t one of them. I find it so hilarious that most people who make $250K+ a year consider themselves to be ‘middle class’. How they can ignore that fact that only 1.5 percent of Americans make that kind of money is beyond me. Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.
I don't think they consider themselves middle class, but they are fortunate to have the funds to pay for what their family needs. I have a kid on the autism spectrum too and you have no idea how much it costs to take care of one of those kiddos, or you wouldn't be saying this. If you think families with kids on the autism spectrum get any meaningful help from government programs, you are the one in denial. We private pay for 90% of what our kids need.
Not all these folks drive Lexus and have big houses. I bet by the time you take out all their expenses to pay for these things for their family, you'd be surprised at their bottom line. Are they poor, no...not by any stretch of the imagination, but they aren't going to Hawaii either.
This is an absolutely awful state with a Socialist government and Socialist residents that do stupid things like increase taxes on businesses during a recession. Measures 66 and 67 which increase taxes on those earning over $250,000 and for all businesses just passed. This state completely discourages any sort business to come because they will just take all your money and give it to people who don't do jack squat.
Because of 66 and 67, the wealthiest residents will pack up and leave as will businesses. Unemployment will continue to skyrocket and the state will be bankrupt with no income because they are against any sort of business.
I have lived here my whole life and can't wait to leave. This is an absolute crap hole of a state run by corrupt politicians voted by Socialists. If you have a shred of sense in your brain, don't come to Oregon. They will take your hard earned money and give it to those who believe they are entitled to what you have earned.
To Hell with Oregon. I'm gone.
Yeah, democracy is a ***** when things don't go your way...
Businesses don't make location decisions simply based on tax structures, and those that do carpetbag from state to state. I grew up in Michigan and watched the exodus of manufacturing jobs to the Carolinas and points south--all lured by cheaper labor and tax breaks. Now those same states are losing those same companies to other locations--South Carolina is a mess with one of the highest unemployment rates in the country.
Businesses look for a TALENT POOL, especially as we transition from a manufacturing to a technology and service economy. Guess what? You need strong educational system to develop that talent pool. Do you think San Francisco and New York are leading business centers because the taxes are low?
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