08-05-2011, 12:40 PM
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We are looking to relocate from Philadelphia to the Orlando area...maybe Ocoee/Davenport? etc...not sure yet just beginning the research on areas..but I need any info about how to go about obtaining a teaching position in elementary public or charter school. I need any info about good districts, how to apply, how difficult it is to get a teaching job, how to do it from Philadelphia. Thanks so much
08-05-2011, 07:42 PM
Location: Central FL
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I don't have the time to explain this all over again right now. You need to go on Teachers.net and look on the Florida chatboard to see all that has been going on down here this spring.
Are you teaching in PA? Do you have tenure? You are in for a very RUDE awakening down here. Long story short: terrible pay, horrible benefits, NO tenure - ever (annual contracts forever), probation for the entire first year you teach (can be fired at anytime during the year for no reason).
The pension plan was just changed so that new teachers will basically have ZERO cost of living increase after retirement. If you have any understanding of math/ finance, you know what that means.
Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but why on Earth would you make this move? We must moved back from Georgia, and honestly, FL is a million times worse for teachers than GA. At least in GA, our salaries would be $9,000 higher and family insurance only costs $268 vs $800 here (per month).
Do your homework. Oh and FL raised all of the prices of testing, so you'll be paying $220 per test plus $75 to add each one to your teaching certificate!
08-06-2011, 05:56 PM
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I do have tenure, but I am thinking of moving down for better quality of life..of course I want to continue teaching and I am very put off by the huge cut in salary too, but I would hope the trade off of a better life for my family and son would be worth it.
I teach at a charter school in the city, a very good neighborhood school BUT the city is becoming a major problem, that is why we are "thinking" about the move. We like the idea of outdoor fun and much to do.....
You sound like you had a terrible experience down there...why, if you dont mind me asking.
Thank you for your honesty because it does make me think!
08-08-2011, 05:53 PM
Location: Central FL
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Well, I stated the facts as to why Florida is not the best place for teachers right now. The cost of living is not exactly cheap either. Salaries are rock bottom (even a state like GA pays thousands more and has way better health insurance) My sister-in-law lives in PA and tells me how good teachers have it there (and in NJ where my other SIL lives) Things down here are *nothing* like that.
Students are facing a lot of issues here now, from homelessness to poverty. Many of the open jobs in FL are at the Title I schools. The jobs at the more affluent schools will immediately be taken by in-district transfers (teachers at rough schools who want to move over). Everyone is trying to get into the "best" schools that they can because your student test scores will be reported to the state of FL for this year's test (given in Spring 2012). The state reserves the right to "take action against" your teaching certificate if your value-added score doesn't come out right.
Just think about it carefully. Could you move to a different area of PA? I hear that you keep your tenure in PA when you move counties. (that certainly was never the case in FL and now of course, tenure is gone for new teachers anyway)
If you are seeking a good family-oriented environment, I think Ocoee would be off the list. That area is going downhill fast. Not safe IMO. Davenport is pretty much a big nothing too. There are better areas for families, but I do hear that Polk schools are ok.
Seminole County known for being a destination for families who are relocating, but that district has been issuing some pretty dire budget predictions for next June. They just closed a school and it looks like they may close some more. Also, that district and my current district are both talking about going to a 4-day school week due to the budget crisis.
08-08-2011, 06:07 PM
Location: SE Florida
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We are looking to relocate from Philadelphia to the Orlando area...maybe Ocoee/Davenport? etc...not sure yet just beginning the research on areas..but I need any info about how to go about obtaining a teaching position in elementary public or charter school. I need any info about good districts, how to apply, how difficult it is to get a teaching job, how to do it from Philadelphia. Thanks so much
I worked for 34 years in the Phiily area. My friend still lives in 19148 zip code and his son goes to a charter school in the city.
Anyway, teaching positions are not good in most sections Florida whereas the QOL in Florida is so much better than the north. I moved from the Valley Forge area worked for the Govt. and taught College on the side..I was 55 years old and had enogh City of Phila. mess. My wife worked for UoP for 30 years too. We now believe Florida is not an area to look for an upscale job especially in the teaching field. My Ph.D. would not help me now if I desired to work because of the total lack of jobs.
My neighbor has a PhD and was a VP of a local school. Her VP salary was 60k and not enough to pay off her school loans of 145k..They moved back to Michigan where her salary almost doubled.
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08-09-2011, 06:01 PM
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That is amazing because I make more than your VP friend and I am only a classroom teacher at my charter school.....I actually live in 19148 zip code! What charter school does your friend send her child to? I send my son to the school where I work too! Small world.
This is the first step I am making in the possible (dream) move-researching! I do not like what I hear at all about state of education in FL...it really makes me so disappointed, it almost is like I would have to leave teaching to move there...I sometimes wonder if the QOL for my family is worth a career change? I also wonder what other type of career could I even get with a teaching degree?
Thanks for all the wonderful help and feedback!
08-17-2011, 08:09 AM
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In addition to the great insight people here will offer, THE LEDGER newspaper covers Polk County education/teaching issues frequently. THE ORLANDO SENTINEL covers Orange, Lake, Osceola & Seminole Counties. You can read both online and should, for real-time info on the many changes affecting teachers in FLA right now as well as 'quality-of-life' information that may be important to you & your family.
08-17-2011, 09:37 AM
Location: Orlando Metro Area
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Hi RioGirl, my fiancee is a teacher for suburban Seminole county so hopefully I can bring a semi-insider's POV mixed with a semi-outsider's POV. Yes, a lot of the horror stories you are hearing right now are true. Yes the new TP Governor is attacking the union, teacher pay, tenure, and school funding. However, the good news is this is all nothing new, and the world hasn't come to an end. Truthfully, tenure in Florida has always been a joke and the same goes for pay. My fiancee actually doesn't mind not having tenure (although she will after 1 more year) because like any job, she knows if her bosses like the job she's doing, she will be fine. So she and I are in the same boat, we both have to work hard and please our managers or else we'll be finding new jobs. Also, the pay in Florida is low, but she is from South Carolina and she makes over 10k per year more here. SC also has state income tax so some of her college buddies back home are living off 26k before taxes!!! So even if it's true that GA pays 9k more than Fl, remember they also take back more of your income because of State withholding. The only thing I would say that is a deal breaker for teaching in Florida is having to teach to a test that will determine your job safety and pay raises. They call this plan merit pay and suggest it's holding teacher's accountable for their own actions. To me, it's tantamount to a dentist being evaluated by whether or not her patients go home and floss. She did her job, presented the information, made the her expectations to the patients clear, but the patient exhibited zero personal responsibility for their own dental health at home. This merit pay plan is an example of of holding teachers accountable for 25 other people's (and their parents) actions/non-actions and is very contrary to it's actual intent. That said, Florida voters passed and upheld a class size amendment and therefore even with the massive funding cuts, counties are still hiring here and there. Good luck.
08-17-2011, 04:41 PM
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Truthfully, tenure in Florida has always been a joke and the same goes for pay. My fiancee actually doesn't mind not having tenure (although she will after 1 more year) because like any job, she knows if her bosses like the job she's doing, she will be fine.
If you didn't get a Professional Service Contract prior to July 1, 2011, you will never get it.
I know it's just a word, but just to educate the masses, Florida hasn't had "tenure" since 1982. Prior to then, long-term teachers had Continuing Contracts, which is more akin to what people consider tenure to be. The only ones who still have Continuing Contracts are teachers who have been in the same district since 1982. I doubt there are too many of them left. Contrary to the views of people who get their education news from "Waiting for Superman" and news pundits projecting their views about things they've heard about their local NYC, NJ, and DC schools onto the entire country, teachers with a Professional Service Contract in Florida are subject to immediate dismissal for misconduct and incompetence. It's in the Florida Statutes.
Teacher tenure Florida: Merit pay bill in Florida would end tenure even for teachers who were "in the pipeline" toward eligibility. - Orlando Sentinel
I know this story says "if." The bill was signed.
08-17-2011, 06:12 PM
Location: Orlando Metro Area
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If you didn't get a Professional Service Contract prior to July 1, 2011, you will never get it.
I know it's just a word, but just to educate the masses, Florida hasn't had "tenure" since 1982. Prior to then, long-term teachers had Continuing Contracts, which is more akin to what people consider tenure to be. The only ones who still have Continuing Contracts are teachers who have been in the same district since 1982. I doubt there are too many of them left. Contrary to the views of people who get their education news from "Waiting for Superman" and news pundits projecting their views about things they've heard about their local NYC, NJ, and DC schools onto the entire country, teachers with a Professional Service Contract in Florida are subject to immediate dismissal for misconduct and incompetence. It's in the Florida Statutes.
Teacher tenure Florida: Merit pay bill in Florida would end tenure even for teachers who were "in the pipeline" toward eligibility. - Orlando Sentinel
I know this story says "if." The bill was signed.
Wow thank you for linking a source, there has been much confusion regarding this. Just tonight I had dinner with some teachers who were under the impression that teachers in the pipeline were okay, guess not. How come this kind of stuff doesn't have educators marching on Tally, oh wait your point about 1982...
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Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)