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Old 10-15-2012, 12:19 PM
 
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Can anyone in the Lakeland area identify a small snake for me? It is reddish brown , rust colored with black dots running the length of it. It is the size of a pencil in diameter and about 12 to 14 inches in length. We first encountered it as it fell into our home at the front door one night when it was raining heavily. We managed to get it out and send it down the storm drain. The next am another one was found dead in our driveway, the same length. Last night we saw one in the driveway but it was smaller, about 8 to 10 inches in length, same color and markings and smaller in diameter so I wonder if it was a "baby". Sightings were at night so maybe it is a nocturnal snake. Wondering if we have a nest somewhere, sure hope not.
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Old 10-16-2012, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Clearwater, FL.
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This was a tricky one. It's hard to match all your specifics, but it may have been a salt marsh snake.

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Old 10-16-2012, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Finally, home sweet home Orlando
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Tricon might be correct if you're close to any salt water areas. Most snakes are nocturnal at least in part since that's the best time for them to feed and since you've seen so many in one area in a short period of time it may be of a family.. That coloring is new to me though a jpeg would be nice, but then again if you search the photos of your description you'll likely find it yourself..

Try Google images and search Florida snakes, once you find it click on the image and then when it pops up in another window you can go to the site and find out what kind it is....
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:18 PM
 
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Eastern mud snake?
Florida, April 2002 p1
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Old 10-18-2012, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Orlando
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as long as red doesn't touch yellow... it is harmless and benefits your neighborhood. be kind to them.
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Old 10-18-2012, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Orange County, Florida
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as long as red doesn't touch yellow... it is harmless and benefits your neighborhood. be kind to them.
Coral Snakes are also beneficial to the neighborhood, although of course they are far from harmless. In any case, they shun human contact.

-Harry
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Old 10-18-2012, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Finally, home sweet home Orlando
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as long as red doesn't touch yellow... it is harmless and benefits your neighborhood. be kind to them.
First off he didn't say anything about stripes of ANY color but certainly not yellow or black ones. Secondly as mentioned above Coral snakes are also beneficial as are all of Florida's wildlife and are human shy and stealthy most of the time. Here recently in Thailand recently I've been trying to educate the locals with a juvenile Reticulated python I rescued from the locals who wanted to kill it in a shopping center parking lot. Now instead of killing snakes they come to get me all the time to remove them, fine with me, better that then killing them.. Except Cobras they like to eat them as they do several others too..

But while coral snakes are potentially dangerous only if you let them gnaw on your finger as they have very small teeth that are located in the back of their mouth and no pronounced fangs like pit vipers so it's quite hard for them to actually envenomate a human.
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Old 10-18-2012, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Orange County, Florida
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But while coral snakes are potentially dangerous only if you let them gnaw on your finger as they have very small teeth that are located in the back of their mouth and no pronounced fangs like pit vipers so it's quite hard for them to actually envenomate a human.
Very true, only around 50% of coral snake bites result in envenomation, and almost all coral snake bites are caused by handling the snake. Treatment is very effective; with treatment they actually have less long-term effects than the technically less deadly pit vipers group of snakes that includes rattlesnakes. This is because coral snakes venom is a nerve toxin while pit viper venom is a blood toxin - blood toxins are less deadly than nerve toxins but cause much more permanent and/or long term damage. Nerve toxins however by their nature are often painless, and between the numbing effect of the nerve toxin and the small wound, sometimes people don't realize that a coral snake has bitten them. With immediate treatment you are almost guaranteed to survive a coral snake bite; there were ZERO deaths from coral snake bites in the between 1967 and 2006; the one in 2006 only resulted in a fatality because the person who died was bitten far from emergency services and did not have a cell phone or transportation.

Pit vipers also often do not envenomate their victims; their toxin takes too long to work to be useful for self defense and older snakes save it for hunting (venom production takes some time and is very expensive in terms of nutritional requirements). Envenomation in pit viper bites is usually by young snakes who have not yet learned to bite without injecting venom. However, older pit vipers are less like to bite humans at all, usually only when surprised, most attacks are by young pit vipers, so the total average envenomation in pit vipers is somewhat higher than coral snakes - 75% of bites.

Even though they are much more likely to bite and are much more common, there are only around 12 deaths from pit viper bites a year across the entire country. Treated with respect, venomous snakes of all kinds are far less dangerous than they are often portrayed as being.

-Harry
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Finally, home sweet home Orlando
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^One of the primary reasons snake bite deaths are down is due to my hero Bill Haast founder of the Miami Serpentarium, who pioneered farming antivenin. His own blood saved dozens of people in Florida before we/they learned how to process the venom collected by his technique into antivenin and tested it's effectiveness through bites.. As many times as he was bitten (172 times) he used to inject himself intentionally with snake venom to build his resistance, must have worked and probably had a contribution to this long life too, he finally died as a centenarian.

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Old 10-30-2012, 12:50 PM
 
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Tricon 7, I think you nailed it, at least the picture certainly looks right except for the size. The markings were the same. I searched and searched and could not find any pictures of what I saw. I appreciate your post and info and now can research it abit more. Thank you so much. Also, thank you to all of you to take the timeb and post your info, it was appreciated.
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