Fortune ranks Orlando No. 1 for jobs growth (unemployment rate, salary)

[Bellamouse]

Originally Posted by leftee

You are the one who brought church into the thread in post #111, assuming something about someone you have never met.

Yes I brought it up, but not in context to jobs/job growth/education levels or economics.

The original poster to whom I aimed my original posts brought up the idea that there is no culture in Orlando. I merely pointed out that her idea of culture is different from other people's, and it has nothing to do with income or education. It has to do with ideas. Progressive, liberal, godless ideas vs. traditional, conservative, God honoring ideas.

Plain and simple.

And for those who don't like God, that's fine. I'm not here to preach to anyone or convince anyone of the merits of what I believe. I just wanted to take to task someone who has no problem belittling and insulting people/places that are different culturally/religiously. It is rude, condescending and unnecessary, and I just asked her to be honest about it those differences. Honest with herself and with the rest of us.

[annerk]

Originally Posted by Bellamouse

Yes I brought it up, but not in context to jobs/job growth/education levels or economics.

The original poster to whom I aimed my original posts brought up the idea that there is no culture in Orlando. I merely pointed out that her idea of culture is different from other people's, and it has nothing to do with income or education. It has to do with ideas. Progressive, liberal, godless ideas vs. traditional, conservative, God honoring ideas.

Plain and simple.

And for those who don't like God, that's fine. I'm not here to preach to anyone or convince anyone of the merits of what I believe. I just wanted to take to task someone who has no problem belittling and insulting people/places that are different culturally/religiously. It is rude, condescending and unnecessary, and I just asked her to be honest about it those differences. Honest with herself and with the rest of us.

I believe my mother who is a progressive liberal and attends mass daily would find your statements to be devoid of fact or merit.

[Bellamouse]

Originally Posted by annerk

I believe my mother who is a progressive liberal and attends mass daily would find your statements to be devoid of fact or merit.

That's because the catholic church is a progressive liberal organization, and not a church (you can park a horse in the garage and call it a "car", but that doesn't make it a car). Not many catholics in the south.

Christians who actually follow Christ (not all people who call themselves Christians actually fit this category) are very different and to be a follower of Christ and a progressive liberal are completely contradictory. They cannot be both at once.

[Soup Not See]

Originally Posted by Bellamouse

That's because the catholic church is a progressive liberal organization, and not a church (you can park a horse in the garage and call it a "car", but that doesn't make it a car). Not many catholics in the south.

Christians who actually follow Christ (not all people who call themselves Christians actually fit this category) are very different and to be a follower of Christ and a progressive liberal are completely contradictory. They cannot be both at once.

Take it to the religious forum Bella - no one appointed you resident theologist of the Orlando forum. But before you go, please tell us what "church' you belong to so we can put it in the correct garage.

[GAtoFL]

Originally Posted by annerk

You're the one who brought up religion to begin with. As far as I'm concerned, religion is culture--it's a great work of fiction acted out on a public stage.

Originally Posted by annerk

I know far too many people who would be better off spending their money to pay their bills and their free time getting more education so they can get a better job instead of throwing their money and time at a church so a minister can live in a gated community and drive a Lexus. One day they will wake up and see the truth.

You do have one thing right that religion is culture. ie manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively.

I'm sorry you have had a bad experience of religion but you may need to open your mind a little more. For one there is much historical basis in religion. A lot of education comes out of Church - we wouldn't have universities as we know it without the Church. A lot of healthcare comes from the Church etc. The big bang theory comes from a Catholic priest and many more.

Even if you do not believe in God you cannot deny, if you have knowledge of the facts, that the Church has done more for society than any institution in history even with the mistakes along the long course of history. The charitable work alone done by the Church is phenomenal. A lot of the so called money and time thrown away is doing good.

I know there are some terrible people who claim to be religious out there but there are bad people everywhere. The best we can do is to root them out rather than trying to take down the good with the tiny proportion pretending to be good. There are some school teachers, policemen etc doing bad things. We don't think about getting rid of schools or law enforcement totally! Your point about ministers keeping a lot of money happens but it is a small minority. Its also tends to be a USA thing - the idea that a church is also a business. Most don't especially in the more established churches.

[annerk]

Originally Posted by Bellamouse

That's because the catholic church is a progressive liberal organization, and not a church (you can park a horse in the garage and call it a "car", but that doesn't make it a car). Not many catholics in the south.

Christians who actually follow Christ (not all people who call themselves Christians actually fit this category) are very different and to be a follower of Christ and a progressive liberal are completely contradictory. They cannot be both at once.

Holy crap. That is all.

[annerk]

Originally Posted by GAtoFL

You do have one thing right that religion is culture. ie manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively.

I'm sorry you have had a bad experience of religion but you may need to open your mind a little more. For one there is much historical basis in religion. A lot of education comes out of Church - we wouldn't have universities as we know it without the Church. A lot of healthcare comes from the Church etc. The big bang theory comes from a Catholic priest and many more.

Even if you do not believe in God you cannot deny, if you have knowledge of the facts, that the Church has done more for society than any institution in history even with the mistakes along the long course of history. The charitable work alone done by the Church is phenomenal. A lot of the so called money and time thrown away is doing good.

I know there are some terrible people who claim to be religious out there but there are bad people everywhere. The best we can do is to root them out rather than trying to take down the good with the tiny proportion pretending to be good. There are some school teachers, policemen etc doing bad things. We don't think about getting rid of schools or law enforcement totally! Your point about ministers keeping a lot of money happens but it is a small minority. Its also tends to be a USA thing - the idea that a church is also a business. Most don't especially in the more established churches.

I didn't have a bad experience, I simply opened my eyes and realized that churches are huge money making centers, most of which never goes to actually help the people they claim to be there for.

[GAtoFL]

Originally Posted by annerk

I didn't have a bad experience, I simply opened my eyes and realized that churches are huge money making centers, most of which never goes to actually help the people they claim to be there for.

Like I said you experience is very narrow if you think this. Try looking into all the charities that are supported by the church for one.

[EditorJul]

Originally Posted by Bellamouse

That's because the catholic church is a progressive liberal organization, and not a church (you can park a horse in the garage and call it a "car", but that doesn't make it a car). Not many catholics in the south.

Christians who actually follow Christ (not all people who call themselves Christians actually fit this category) are very different and to be a follower of Christ and a progressive liberal are completely contradictory. They cannot be both at once.

I'm trying to remember that little quote from the bible that self-proclaimed Christians often trot out. Ah, here it is.

"And Jesus said, Judge everyone, because you know, all the cool kids are doing it and that makes them totally real Christians." (Matthew 7:1-3…ish) Ironically, it's not in the bible I grew up with, but it does seem to be part of the modern self-proclaimed Christian mindset.

Based on your actions, I'd personally find agreement with one statement you said, Bellamouse:
Christians who actually follow Christ (not all people who call themselves Christians actually fit this category)

Perhaps you're simply trying to be a living example of this for some sort of sense of irony? If so, I think that irony is a bit lost on the Internet….

[Bellamouse]

Originally Posted by EditorJul

I'm trying to remember that little quote from the bible that self-proclaimed Christians often trot out. Ah, here it is.

"And Jesus said, Judge everyone, because you know, all the cool kids are doing it and that makes them totally real Christians." (Matthew 7:1-3…ish) Ironically, it's not in the bible I grew up with, but it does seem to be part of the modern self-proclaimed Christian mindset.

Based on your actions, I'd personally find agreement with one statement you said, Bellamouse:
Christians who actually follow Christ (not all people who call themselves Christians actually fit this category)

Perhaps you're simply trying to be a living example of this for some sort of sense of irony? If so, I think that irony is a bit lost on the Internet….

Just because you may not agree with me does not automatically make what I say untrue. And I haven't judged anyone. I simply stated that to be a progressive liberal contradicts with the teachings of Christ. Not a judgement. Judgement is if I condemned anyone, or stated that I know with certainty where they are going when they die. I have not done any such thing on this thread.

I am sorry if you perceive my comments as judgement on anyone.