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I guess "60 Minutes" made up the story showing families living in one room motels in the Orlando area, so many now that school buses now have designated stops there. The kids being interviewed about coming to school hungry(which was heartbreaking) were little actors.
And do you honestly think if someone who worked at Disney walked around with a puss on and was unpleasant to visitors they would last very long?
Job growth that offers low paying wages so that people have to rely on EBT cards and other welfare hurts everyone in the long run.
Amusement park jobs are fine for college kids and retirees who want to supplement themselves, not for people with families. It's actually kind of sad some of the posts you see on here about people who do have children who think getting into the park free is a priority and an important job perk. How about getting yourself an education and decent job with benefits so you can pay for the park yourself, I mean how many times do you really need to see Disneyworld or Harry Potter????
The problem is that for the majority of those people, you could give them a million dollars and a year later they would be back living in that hotel room. You can't fix stupid, and the majority of those people did stupid things that got them into that situation.
Look at all the people who come into this board saying they are going to move here with their four kids and no job and want to know where there is a safe neighborhood with great schools that they can find a 3BR home for rent for $600 a month. When we try to dissuade them, they get hostile, because of course they know best what will work for their family and just know they will find a $80K job with their GED and experience working the fryer at McDonalds for a year before being fired for not showing up three days in a row because they were mad at the boss for making them work during the Super Bowl.
QUOTE: Florida, as a whole, offers nothing for educated people who like arts, culture, interesting food, etc. The only people who would choose Florida over anywhere else, really, are people who cannot make it other places. The job market in Florida is horrendous. The public schools are a nightmare. Private ones aren't much better. The universities are just okay. Florida will continue to attract the dregs of society just as long as it continues to support low wage job growth. Well educated people with high paying jobs or even moderately paying jobs are not moving to Florida.It offers them nothing.
You must only visit your own back yard. between the Moffitt Center, Bascom Palmer, Jackson Memorial, the Space Center, Brickell financial area- University of Miami, University of Fl and so forth, to include the ports that move $27 Billion dollars worth of goods every year-it is NOT accomplished by the uneducated. You cannot compare the old DC, BOSTON, NY, Philly etc cities of the north that have been around 200 + years -to a new kid on the block growing daily in sports, arts, transportation etc. especially with old tired foggies who have controlled the politics. When the 70+ yr olds say good night for good, the baby boomers will get it done. And for not moving here? We sit at fourth for millionaire residents. CA-777624, TX-456,949, NY 429,153, FL 348,623
Just a side note on Bascom Palmer. They suck. I don't know who does those surveys, but the place is chaos and a factory designed to deal with all the welfare in the state. Walk in and you'll see inmates in Orange jumpsuits shackled to wheelchairs with two guards, welfare mothers with six kids running around. I spent an entire day there, they were more interested in running expensive tests to jack up my bill because I have insurance which would cover six times the actual cost of treating me to pay for all the low life's there. Most of those tests proved unnecessary when I ended up seeing doctors at Wills in Philly and Jules Stein in LA for second and third opinions.
Also the surgeon (Chief of one of the specialties) at B-P wanted to schedule me for surgery the next week and got offended when I said I wanted a second opinion. The other two doctors I saw at the other very wonderful eye centers both were incredulous that he wanted to rush me into surgery for a condition that might not ever require it, and alarmed that he had wanted to use a very unproven surgical technique that would not have worked at all given my bone structure.
Never would I recommend that place, and I have no idea why anyone would give them high marks.
The problem is that for the majority of those people, you could give them a million dollars and a year later they would be back living in that hotel room. You can't fix stupid, and the majority of those people did stupid things that got them into that situation.
Look at all the people who come into this board saying they are going to move here with their four kids and no job and want to know where there is a safe neighborhood with great schools that they can find a 3BR home for rent for $600 a month. When we try to dissuade them, they get hostile, because of course they know best what will work for their family and just know they will find a $80K job with their GED and experience working the fryer at McDonalds for a year before being fired for not showing up three days in a row because they were mad at the boss for making them work during the Super Bowl.
Exactly. There is a study showing that NFL players have higher rates of bankruptcy than the average person. Despite many of them having 7-8 figure windfalls. It's the basic skills of money management.
Just a side note on Bascom Palmer. They suck. I don't know who does those surveys, but the place is chaos and a factory designed to deal with all the welfare in the state. Walk in and you'll see inmates in Orange jumpsuits shackled to wheelchairs with two guards, welfare mothers with six kids running around. I spent an entire day there, they were more interested in running expensive tests to jack up my bill because I have insurance which would cover six times the actual cost of treating me to pay for all the low life's there. Most of those tests proved unnecessary when I ended up seeing doctors at Wills in Philly and Jules Stein in LA for second and third opinions.
Also the surgeon (Chief of one of the specialties) at B-P wanted to schedule me for surgery the next week and got offended when I said I wanted a second opinion. The other two doctors I saw at the other very wonderful eye centers both were incredulous that he wanted to rush me into surgery for a condition that might not ever require it, and alarmed that he had wanted to use a very unproven surgical technique that would not have worked at all given my bone structure.
Never would I recommend that place, and I have no idea why anyone would give them high marks.
Maybe there's the VIP entrance you missed? Some academic centers keep a satellite office across the street from the "university" one where they have to take care of the indigent, for their private paying pts.
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Doesn't know about.... the Morse Museum of American Art, Dali Museum, John Ringling Museum, Tiffany Collection museum, Orlando Art Museum. There are dozens more but those are the ones Ive been to.
I do wonder what "interesting food" is.
They probably wish they could live here but they are most likely in that 23 percent there.
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Originally Posted by tinytrump
QUOTE: Florida, as a whole, offers nothing for educated people who like arts, culture, interesting food, etc. The only people who would choose Florida over anywhere else, really, are people who cannot make it other places. The job market in Florida is horrendous. The public schools are a nightmare. Private ones aren't much better. The universities are just okay. Florida will continue to attract the dregs of society just as long as it continues to support low wage job growth. Well educated people with high paying jobs or even moderately paying jobs are not moving to Florida.It offers them nothing.
You must only visit your own back yard. between the Moffitt Center, Bascom Palmer, Jackson Memorial, the Space Center, Brickell financial area- University of Miami, University of Fl and so forth, to include the ports that move $27 Billion dollars worth of goods every year-it is NOT accomplished by the uneducated. You cannot compare the old DC, BOSTON, NY, Philly etc cities of the north that have been around 200 + years -to a new kid on the block growing daily in sports, arts, transportation etc. especially with old tired foggies who have controlled the politics. When the 70+ yr olds say good night for good, the baby boomers will get it done. And for not moving here? We sit at fourth for millionaire residents. CA-777624, TX-456,949, NY 429,153, FL 348,623
Maybe there's the VIP entrance you missed? Some academic centers keep a satellite office across the street from the "university" one where they have to take care of the indigent, for their private paying pts.
Unfortunately because of all the testing, I had to be seen in the main building. I had seven different tests, not including Snellen, color plates, and ocular motility done three time each. It was disgusting the extra tests they put me through when there were only two I actually needed. As I said, the specialists I saw at the other two eye centers were in disbelief over the amount of padding they did to the bill at BP.
The most disturbing was that the Chief of "xxxxxxx" wanted to operate immediately, use me as a Guinea pig, and got very offended when I said I wanted a second opinion.
As a surgeon friend said, "when all you have is a hammer, the whole world looks like a nail."
Exactly. There is a study showing that NFL players have higher rates of bankruptcy than the average person. Despite many of them having 7-8 figure windfalls. It's the basic skills of money management.
Becoming a pro athlete in the major leagues is much like winning the lottery. People, many of whom grew up poor or on the lower side of middle, find themselves millionaires overnight after signing their NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. contract. Unfortunately, they didn't grow up around learning financial principles, and they also didn't see a gradual growth in their income over time like a successful entrepreneur or even someone working their way up the corporate ladder would see. There's a lot of "you owe me" and "remember your roots" pressure from family and childhood friends, and the "survive today" mentality they grew up with is still in control as opposed to the "how's this going to impact me 10 years from now??" others who grew up in more stable environments may have. Therefore, they immediately buy the house in an Isleworth type neighborhood, shop at Mall at Millenia type stores, pick up an Aston Martin on the way home from the mall, etc.
Just a side note on Bascom Palmer. They suck. I don't know who does those surveys, but the place is chaos and a factory designed to deal with all the welfare in the state. Walk in and you'll see inmates in Orange jumpsuits shackled to wheelchairs with two guards, welfare mothers with six kids running around. I spent an entire day there, they were more interested in running expensive tests to jack up my bill because I have insurance which would cover six times the actual cost of treating me to pay for all the low life's there. Most of those tests proved unnecessary when I ended up seeing doctors at Wills in Philly and Jules Stein in LA for second and third opinions.
Also the surgeon (Chief of one of the specialties) at B-P wanted to schedule me for surgery the next week and got offended when I said I wanted a second opinion. The other two doctors I saw at the other very wonderful eye centers both were incredulous that he wanted to rush me into surgery for a condition that might not ever require it, and alarmed that he had wanted to use a very unproven surgical technique that would not have worked at all given my bone structure.
Never would I recommend that place, and I have no idea why anyone would give them high marks.
I unfortunately had several occasions to bring family to them, and they performed miracles where all seemed hopeless and no other Dr. would touch the problem. So I will recommend them, they work with some very unique problems. In either case they have professionals there that treat the world's patients, whether anyone agrees or not.
Florida is a baby state- It was cows, seasonal tourist, fishing and oranges ONLY 50 yrs ago- and many, many parts of Florida are the same to this day. You cannot compare old established relics to new- stay where you are comfortable, but in 100 yrs if the seas don't rise, we will have caught up.
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I unfortunately had several occasions to bring family to them, and they performed miracles where all seemed hopeless and no other Dr. would touch the problem. So I will recommend them, they work with some very unique problems. In either case they have professionals there that treat the world's patients, whether anyone agrees or not.
Florida is a baby state- It was cows, seasonal tourist, fishing and oranges ONLY 50 yrs ago- and many, many parts of Florida are the same to this day. You cannot compare old established relics to new- stay where you are comfortable, but in 100 yrs if the seas don't rise, we will have caught up.
50 years ago FL was a pristine land. There were a lot of new residents after WWII, guys who were stationed around the state and liked what they saw came from all over the country. Then it was touted as a retirement place. Remember that guy who was the spokesman for Century Village - Red Buttons - "Come on down". It was so different from crowded urban areas where the people who lived there wanted an escape in their retirement years and it was here.
There still is lots of cattle ranching in FL, lots of agriculture, lots of tourist draws. It is still a draw for those in crowded urban areas for people who are looking for a change.
No, FL is nothing like the "northern states" and it never should be like them. Florida is unique. You could work a 9-5 job, hop in the car and be at the beach in a short time. There is the glorious weather. You can garden and grow all year round. If you are the social type there are many clubs and organizations to join.
People come here because it is better than they were. Some find the summers too hot, miss home, family and friends, miss the ways that were common for them each day. Then there are those who cant secure a decent job here. If they were produce men at a supermarket back home they find that produce men here get paid less. Same for everybody else. So, if you left a low paying job there, you will probably find a lower paying job here.
If you want 'haute couture" in FL, it is out there. You just need the $ to play in it.
For the average person FL is and has been a great place to be.
I unfortunately had several occasions to bring family to them, and they performed miracles where all seemed hopeless and no other Dr. would touch the problem. So I will recommend them, they work with some very unique problems. In either case they have professionals there that treat the world's patients, whether anyone agrees or not.
Florida is a baby state- It was cows, seasonal tourist, fishing and oranges ONLY 50 yrs ago- and many, many parts of Florida are the same to this day. You cannot compare old established relics to new- stay where you are comfortable, but in 100 yrs if the seas don't rise, we will have caught up.
I have a very unique condition which affects under 10,000 people world wide. There are exactly 10 doctors in the US who are trained to treat it. Many doctors have never even heard of it. I have seen three of the 10 doctors in the US who can treat it. I can assure you that there are better facilities with more talented and knowledgeable doctors in the US than at BP. Perhaps they make the #1 list based in the sheer number of people they treat because they are the only major eye center in the Southeast and turn no one away.
I was smart enough to bother to get a second opinion, otherwise I would have undergone an unnecessary surgery that would have had a poor prognosis. There is no miracle about that. Maybe not in Florida, but I assure you that there are other doctors equally or more skilled. I was prepared to go for a 4th opinion in NYC and even 5th at Moorfields in London if I needed to. When your vision is at stake you go to the ends of the earth for the best care. I can assure you it doesn't exist at BP.
For the record, BP actually treats very few people outside the southeast and the Caribbean. Columbia Presbyterian, Jules Stein, Hopkins, Cleveland Clinic, Mayo, and Wills treat more international patients each year than BP does--by a landslide. The most renowned eye center in the WORLD is Moorfields in London.
Have you been to any of the other major eye centers in the US?
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between the Moffitt Center, Bascom Palmer, Jackson Memorial, the Space Center, Brickell financial area- University of Miami, University of Fl and so forth, to include the ports that move $27 Billion dollars worth of goods every year-it is NOT accomplished by the uneducated. You cannot compare the old DC, BOSTON, NY, Philly etc cities of the north that have been around 200 + years -to a new kid on the block growing daily in sports, arts, transportation etc. especially with old tired foggies who have controlled the politics. When the 70+ yr olds say good night for good, the baby boomers will get it done. And for not moving here? We sit at fourth for millionaire residents. CA-777624, TX-456,949, NY 429,153, FL 348,623 
