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Here in Clermont Fl there's many began places and I love it out here been living here for 6 years now and moved from NY and will never go back. Clermont is so diverse, i think its a good fit for anyone!
My husband and I are white and we frequently found ourselves the only white people speaking English while going out in certain areas. My husband and I are liberal and we have no problem with different types of people so please don't misunderstand me, but we found people to be generally unfriendly there.
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I really liked living there although the rude people did get me down sometimes and I know it wasn't the best place for us to raise our child. I could see us going back one day when he's older but who knows. Just my .02.
The "rude people" factor might have had to do with the area where you lived and the closeness to Disney.
Contrary to you, one of the many reasons why I love it here is that I find the people very friendly. But I never go to Disney and where I live there are no tourists.
I live near Lake Nona (SE part) and mostly deal with the people in the southern half of Orlando and its metropolitan area and I am glad we chose to live here because the people are very friendly here. Wherever I go, people are nice to me. It is a delight to go shopping because store clerks here are really nice and friendly and often even chat with me (almost all of them are Latinas). It is very different to Jacksonville, FL, where I lived before.
IMO the vibe here is very uplifting and positive. I keep telling my husband and my friends how much fun I have here because of that. When I get into the car, I always have my favorite music on the radio (Salsa 98.1), when I go into stores, people are nice to me (I always greet them with a smile). When I go to Zumba, the instructors play real Latin music!
I go to a Spanish speaking church. Although I am a blond Caucasian European female and look really "gringa", people there received me like one of their own when I went there the first time. And it is not only because I speak Spanish. They are just as nice to non-Spanish speakers who occasionally visit the church. I love going there on Sundays and they make me feel like belonging there and being part of the "family".
The way people meet and treat me here makes me happy, brightens my days and gives me that warm, fuzzy feeling of belonging and of "home".
People who have no connection whatsoever to the Latino culture and who prefer to live among mostly white Anglo-American people might like it better in the northern half of Orlando, though. I say "Anglo-American" instead of "English-speaking" because all Latino store clerks are completely bilingual and speak English with their customers unless the customer addresses them in Spanish.
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I am considering the same move. Here is what I found out so far:
I just have came back from a trip to Florida.
It seems like in Florida there is no culture of "expertise" at companies. Executives, hiring managers and HR never met anyone who really excel in any field and just cannot understand what it is when they see it. They are not looking for expertise, they are unaware of it... They want to build a tech industry out of mediocrity and nothingness. Expertise and real talent is what set high wages (and profits) in other states, but since they dont see these things in FL they see no reason to pay extra for it. So they dont attract out of state talent, neither are they interested in finding talent amongst themselves, neither do they want to pay for high contributions. It's really sad. The soviet union did the same, and they had no prosperity.
Some companies want to hire people with a full stack of rare skills, but they think it is a "junior engineer" role, with a compensation package 70% less than paid in Silicon Valley. Not 70%, but 70% less, that is 30% as much. Out of 2 companies, one offered me half of my current income, the other said 1/3 of my current income.
Those statistics in publications showing 8-20% wage difference between Florida and CA are wrong, because they include large numbers of low wage service workers too. If you compare "principal XYZ engineer" total comps, The difference is 50-70%, not 8-20%. They pay less to a principal software engineer in Florida even than they pay in England, and within ballpark to Shenzen and Bangalore.
I would like to see another statistics: "expertise appreciation ratio" (I just made it up), EAR = principal engineer salary divided by fast-food worker salary. I bet the ratio is lower in Florida than anywhere else. It is also a sign of egalitarian socialism. We could also call it "value contribution to pay ratio" or VCTPR.
Another issue for engineers like me, is 95% of engineering jobs in Florida require a security clearance, that practically reduces the job market to 5% of its original size.
By the way, why are there so many lawyers in Florida???
I am considering the same move. Here is what I found out so far:
I just have came back from a trip to Florida.
It seems like in Florida there is no culture of "expertise" at companies. Executives, hiring managers and HR never met anyone who really excel in any field and just cannot understand what it is when they see it. They are not looking for expertise, they are unaware of it... They want to build a tech industry out of mediocrity and nothingness. Expertise and real talent is what set high wages (and profits) in other states, but since they dont see these things in FL they see no reason to pay extra for it. So they dont attract out of state talent, neither are they interested in finding talent amongst themselves, neither do they want to pay for high contributions. It's really sad. The soviet union did the same, and they had no prosperity.
Some companies want to hire people with a full stack of rare skills, but they think it is a "junior engineer" role, with a compensation package 70% less than paid in Silicon Valley. Not 70%, but 70% less, that is 30% as much. Out of 2 companies, one offered me half of my current income, the other said 1/3 of my current income.
Those statistics in publications showing 8-20% wage difference between Florida and CA are wrong, because they include large numbers of low wage service workers too. If you compare "principal XYZ engineer" total comps, The difference is 50-70%, not 8-20%. They pay less to a principal software engineer in Florida even than they pay in England, and within ballpark to Shenzen and Bangalore.
I would like to see another statistics: "expertise appreciation ratio" (I just made it up), EAR = principal engineer salary divided by fast-food worker salary. I bet the ratio is lower in Florida than anywhere else. It is also a sign of egalitarian socialism. We could also call it "value contribution to pay ratio" or VCTPR.
Another issue for engineers like me, is 95% of engineering jobs in Florida require a security clearance, that practically reduces the job market to 5% of its original size.
By the way, why are there so many lawyers in Florida???
Hmm... Only one engineering offer that I got ever required Security Clearance, and that was Lockheed.
Granted, I'm an EE, so maybe my general field of work is different.
As for salaries, there's maybe a $40,000 difference between what I make here and what I could make in, say, San Francisco. That's not 70%. $40,000 is still too much though.
I agree with the rest of your post, in that many employers really are not searching for true talent.
Hmm... Only one engineering offer that I got ever required Security Clearance, and that was Lockheed.
Granted, I'm an EE, so maybe my general field of work is different.
As for salaries, there's maybe a $40,000 difference between what I make here and what I could make in, say, San Francisco. That's not 70%. $40,000 is still too much though.
I am an EE also, and I have a full map of EE jobs in central Florida, I scanned through all EE openings in the last 4 months, I think I have a good picture.
From my current $220k in SV, down to $90k or $120k are huge drops. Some guy who retired from Harris, made $150k at his peak. The big employers Lockheed, Harris, Northrop, DRS, Collins, Raytheon all require clearance now or later, and they are the major employers, with 95% of jobs. Few small companies don't require it, and I found zero medium sized companies who employ EEs.
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I agree with the rest of your post, in that many employers really are not searching for true talent.
I am considering the same move. Here is what I found out so far:
I just have came back from a trip to Florida.
It seems like in Florida there is no culture of "expertise" at companies. Executives, hiring managers and HR never met anyone who really excel in any field and just cannot understand what it is when they see it. They are not looking for expertise, they are unaware of it... They want to build a tech industry out of mediocrity and nothingness. Expertise and real talent is what set high wages (and profits) in other states, but since they dont see these things in FL they see no reason to pay extra for it. So they dont attract out of state talent, neither are they interested in finding talent amongst themselves, neither do they want to pay for high contributions. It's really sad. The soviet union did the same, and they had no prosperity.
Some companies want to hire people with a full stack of rare skills, but they think it is a "junior engineer" role, with a compensation package 70% less than paid in Silicon Valley. Not 70%, but 70% less, that is 30% as much. Out of 2 companies, one offered me half of my current income, the other said 1/3 of my current income.
Those statistics in publications showing 8-20% wage difference between Florida and CA are wrong, because they include large numbers of low wage service workers too. If you compare "principal XYZ engineer" total comps, The difference is 50-70%, not 8-20%. They pay less to a principal software engineer in Florida even than they pay in England, and within ballpark to Shenzen and Bangalore.
I would like to see another statistics: "expertise appreciation ratio" (I just made it up), EAR = principal engineer salary divided by fast-food worker salary. I bet the ratio is lower in Florida than anywhere else. It is also a sign of egalitarian socialism. We could also call it "value contribution to pay ratio" or VCTPR.
Another issue for engineers like me, is 95% of engineering jobs in Florida require a security clearance, that practically reduces the job market to 5% of its original size.
By the way, why are there so many lawyers in Florida???
Wow. Don't complain about low wages here (or in the Florida forum), or you will be told you're not making much because you're not doing work to better yourself lol. You put forth a very good argument proving that it is not about a lack of skill like some would say.
Anyway, though Orlando has been near the top of list of the most dechurched and unchurched metros (actually the media market of Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne), Orlando is home to many churches, headquarters of quite a few Christian organizations, prominent preachers (though certainly not on the scale of Dallas or Atlanta of course), Christian music concerts, etc. There are plenty of gun toting people around.
I'm not a vegan or vegetarian, but I hear that market is blooming here.
Wow. Don't complain about low wages here (or in the Florida forum), or you will be told you're not making much because you're not doing work to better yourself lol. You put forth a very good argument proving that it is not about a lack of skill like some would say.
It’s a known fact that the South (including Florida) generally has lower wages than, say, SV or the NE. I don’t think anyone in their right mind would argue this. What’s been argued however is more about how one can’t find anything other than service sector minimum-wage types of jobs here. That’s blatantly false.
It’s a known fact that the South (including Florida) generally has lower wages than, say, SV or the NE. I don’t think anyone in their right mind would argue this. What’s been argued however is more about how one can’t find anything other than service sector minimum-wage types of jobs here. That’s blatantly false.
Magazine articles claim 8-20% difference in wages, but I find 50-70% (for engineering jobs). I'm totally okay with even 20% droop, but that is not what is really happening. That is the surprising part.
The "rude people" factor might have had to do with the area where you lived and the closeness to Disney.
Contrary to you, one of the many reasons why I love it here is that I find the people very friendly. But I never go to Disney and where I live there are no tourists.
I live near Lake Nona (SE part) and mostly deal with the people in the southern half of Orlando and its metropolitan area and I am glad we chose to live here because the people are very friendly here. Wherever I go, people are nice to me. It is a delight to go shopping because store clerks here are really nice and friendly and often even chat with me (almost all of them are Latinas). It is very different to Jacksonville, FL, where I lived before.
IMO the vibe here is very uplifting and positive. I keep telling my husband and my friends how much fun I have here because of that. When I get into the car, I always have my favorite music on the radio (Salsa 98.1), when I go into stores, people are nice to me (I always greet them with a smile). When I go to Zumba, the instructors play real Latin music!
I go to a Spanish speaking church. Although I am a blond Caucasian European female and look really "gringa", people there received me like one of their own when I went there the first time. And it is not only because I speak Spanish. They are just as nice to non-Spanish speakers who occasionally visit the church. I love going there on Sundays and they make me feel like belonging there and being part of the "family".
The way people meet and treat me here makes me happy, brightens my days and gives me that warm, fuzzy feeling of belonging and of "home".
People who have no connection whatsoever to the Latino culture and who prefer to live among mostly white Anglo-American people might like it better in the northern half of Orlando, though. I say "Anglo-American" instead of "English-speaking" because all Latino store clerks are completely bilingual and speak English with their customers unless the customer addresses them in Spanish.
Well most people are not transracial as you are, so your experience don't apply.
I am an EE also, and I have a full map of EE jobs in central Florida, I scanned through all EE openings in the last 4 months, I think I have a good picture.
From my current $220k in SV, down to $90k or $120k are huge drops. Some guy who retired from Harris, made $150k at his peak. The big employers Lockheed, Harris, Northrop, DRS, Collins, Raytheon all require clearance now or later, and they are the major employers, with 95% of jobs. Few small companies don't require it, and I found zero medium sized companies who employ EEs.
Especially true for Florida. But why...
Well, I can't speak for EE, but at Publix they look for employees who smile and act fake. That is how you get hired there. Not ability.
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