What would happen if Disney left? (sale, taxation, living)

[lunetunelover]

Originally Posted by Benny the Mutt

The shareholders are standing behind Bob Chapek.

Ummmm...no, they are not.

[bmw335xi]

Originally Posted by lunetunelover

Ummmm...no, they are not.

lol, exactly... DISNEY is DOWN over 18% since March 7th, meanwhile the Dow Jones is essentially 0.00% change during the same period.


Shareholders are NOT standing up for Bob Chapek, most want him gone.


See my screenshot below...

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[Cloudship]

Originally Posted by brinkofsunshine

I don’t think we know what the voters want; DeSantis pushed this through the legislature, it wasn’t on a ballot. DeSantis only won Florida by a tiny margin… it’s not as red as you think.

And I agree- I don’t really think these topics are coming up in K-3 lesson plans to begin with, so why is DeSantis and other Republican lawmakers suddenly acting like this is such a huge in our schools that we have to pass a bill about it? Sex Ed isn’t even a part of the curriculum for that age group. My issue with the bill is the vague wording, the ability to sue teachers just for talking about certain subjects, and the possibility that this could lead to more restrictive legislation. I’m just thankful that the amendment to the bill that would force school staff to “out” any students to their families was taken off.

It is specifically vague. That is why there is such an uproar about it amongst the Imagineering department and guests. Most of these people come from a much more diverse, much more accepting environment. Now they are being asked to throw their kids into an environment where only the "straight" societal norms are shown, so that their kids start feeling ashamed and rejected because they have parents or relatives who are LGBTQ, or they themselves don't fit the aggressive male/passive female stereotype. Desantis used physical sex issues to justify gender identity restrictions.


And that goes back to the whole what is going to happen to Disney. Unfortunately the far right has now drawn the line in the ground that they will not tolerate anything other than absolute obliteration of any kind of gender expression other than very traditional male and female roles. Th3e problem is that it creates a very threatening and hostile environment now for anyone else. Disney is moving their entire parks creative team to Orlando. Or at least trying to. Most of these people have friends, family, or even themselves, who do not fit into that conservative mindset. It is known that Disney has contributed to DeSantis's campaign. It does not sit well with them. Add to that a significant guest population (Disney parks attracts more adults than it does kids), and that puts them in a predicament. By not saying anything at all in this case means Disney is speaking much louder than taking a side. So they have no choice here.


DeSantis has declared war, and he choose Disney as the battle ground. There really is no good option for them. One way or the other the parks will get hurt. Will they disappear? No. If the left prevails, yes Disney will loose some guests, but by and large the European tourists, the tourists from the north, the adults will still come. And Disney will at least stand a little chance of retaining some of its creative talent.



I am more worried if Disney ends up swinging far right. The biggest impact is going to be a severe loss of creative talent for the theme parks. Already is happening - they have lost most of their senior imagineers already. 30 years ago this wouldn't be a problem, but now other parks have caught up. That talent will go elsewhere and Disney is no longer going to be the premier park. In addition, being too conservative means that they are also going to loose a lot of guests, particularly the adult guests. And the associated conflict and American-style religious conservatism is going to put off European visitors, who are starting to find they have other options besides Disney.


What this all leads to, is that (assuming Universal does not suddenly take prominence) Orlando as a year round, every day of the week destination is going to turn into a short term, summer and school break destination based more around weekends. The Disney parks will remain in their bubble, but even more so isolated, while the surround areas start to die out. I am worried that this will turn them into new versions of 192 east, and you will start to a rise in crime and poverty. The Orlando metro area will become a series of isolated bubbles.

[Dave_n_Tenn]

Originally Posted by firmbizzle

Ugh, spend their money someplace else.

So first there was Disney Land, then Disney World... did Disney do something stupid by expanding their brand when they did this?

If the move to another state... lets say Colorado and build a "winter wonder land" Does Disney World or Disney land suffer? Will they close a park that's making $20,000,000 dollars a day?

You're posting economic ignorance

[john3232]

Originally Posted by Cloudship

It is specifically vague. That is why there is such an uproar about it amongst the Imagineering department and guests. Most of these people come from a much more diverse, much more accepting environment. Now they are being asked to throw their kids into an environment where only the "straight" societal norms are shown, so that their kids start feeling ashamed and rejected because they have parents or relatives who are LGBTQ, or they themselves don't fit the aggressive male/passive female stereotype. Desantis used physical sex issues to justify gender identity restrictions.


And that goes back to the whole what is going to happen to Disney. Unfortunately the far right has now drawn the line in the ground that they will not tolerate anything other than absolute obliteration of any kind of gender expression other than very traditional male and female roles. Th3e problem is that it creates a very threatening and hostile environment now for anyone else. Disney is moving their entire parks creative team to Orlando. Or at least trying to. Most of these people have friends, family, or even themselves, who do not fit into that conservative mindset. It is known that Disney has contributed to DeSantis's campaign. It does not sit well with them. Add to that a significant guest population (Disney parks attracts more adults than it does kids), and that puts them in a predicament. By not saying anything at all in this case means Disney is speaking much louder than taking a side. So they have no choice here.


DeSantis has declared war, and he choose Disney as the battle ground. There really is no good option for them. One way or the other the parks will get hurt. Will they disappear? No. If the left prevails, yes Disney will loose some guests, but by and large the European tourists, the tourists from the north, the adults will still come. And Disney will at least stand a little chance of retaining some of its creative talent.



I am more worried if Disney ends up swinging far right. The biggest impact is going to be a severe loss of creative talent for the theme parks. Already is happening - they have lost most of their senior imagineers already. 30 years ago this wouldn't be a problem, but now other parks have caught up. That talent will go elsewhere and Disney is no longer going to be the premier park. In addition, being too conservative means that they are also going to loose a lot of guests, particularly the adult guests. And the associated conflict and American-style religious conservatism is going to put off European visitors, who are starting to find they have other options besides Disney.


What this all leads to, is that (assuming Universal does not suddenly take prominence) Orlando as a year round, every day of the week destination is going to turn into a short term, summer and school break destination based more around weekends. The Disney parks will remain in their bubble, but even more so isolated, while the surround areas start to die out. I am worried that this will turn them into new versions of 192 east, and you will start to a rise in crime and poverty. The Orlando metro area will become a series of isolated bubbles.

Teachers are being told not to discuss anything which deals with sexuality for students K-3. Why? Because many parents do not feel it's age appropriate. But why is a law needed? To make sure teachers understand this.

Teachers can certainly look out for and report bullying or signs a child is being ostracized. Otherwise stick to making sure the children are learning what they need to know. Save wokeness, CRT etc. for an elective class in high school where a 17 year old teen is better able to discus and to agree/disagree.

[firmbizzle]

Originally Posted by Dave_n_Tenn

So first there was Disney Land, then Disney World... did Disney do something stupid by expanding their brand when they did this?

If the move to another state... lets say Colorado and build a "winter wonder land" Does Disney World or Disney land suffer? Will they close a park that's making $20,000,000 dollars a day?

You're posting economic ignorance

You make no sense. Who wrote anything about closing a park? Or moving?

[Dave_n_Tenn]

Originally Posted by firmbizzle

You make no sense. Who wrote anything about closing a park? Or moving?

The thread title is.... you can read, right? Do you understand the word 'context'?

[firmbizzle]

Originally Posted by Dave_n_Tenn

The thread title is.... you can read, right? Do you understand the word 'context'?

You replied to my post. Disney can spend additional money in Orlando or another state.

[Dave_n_Tenn]

Originally Posted by firmbizzle

You replied to my post. Disney can spend additional money in Orlando or another state.

Well then... you don't understand context.

Never mind, carry on.

[AntonioR]

Originally Posted by Dave_n_Tenn

So first there was Disney Land, then Disney World...

Then is Disney Universe. It will be bigger, more impressive and more daring that Walt Disney World.

Where would it be????

Should be better than these places (first of each type outside the USA).

Nickelodeon Resort

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0g5HW0Woxc

Hard Rock Cafe Resort (also biggest resort in the Caribbean)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dekzPrK-fuQ

What can Disney do??? The Walt Disney Universe. Coming soon and everybody would want to visit at least once in their lives.

Plus, Disney can get self-governing rights plus the 10 year tax free incentive to create touristic places and free repatriation of profits with no taxation or government interference. $ound$ like a good deal. Plus, true tropical weather all year, beautiful tropical paradise deserted beaches right on a Disney Universe property, etc. Plenty of virgin large land tracks with paradisiacal beaches included for sale (big enough to have their own universe of sorts and even their own airport with a terminal in the shape of the mouse’ head, lol), a stable pro-business government regardless what party is in power, a local population that is overwhelmingly pro-democracy and pro-capitalism, a growing local middle class but more importantly easy access from the USA, Canada, Latin America and Europe… So much $$$ to be made by Disney without a DeSantis like nonsense all based on making one decision.

Like I said before, Disney has options regarding future development. If DeSantis et al continues to jab the mouse, he might just take the offer and kiss bye bye to Florida.