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Old 12-31-2008, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Developers are scouting around the cities that border Orlando, to build poker rooms and quarterhorse racetracks...proponents say that organized crime went out with Bugsy Segal many years ago, and that it is no longer an issue...the facts do not bear that out...Opponents say that gambling is a target for crime...statistics show this to be true. Would you want this kind of establishment to be in your neighborhood? Has gambling ever effected you or anyone in your family or someone you know? Your feelings?
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Old 12-31-2008, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Oviedo, Fl formerly from the Philly Burbs!
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Developers are scouting around the cities that border Orlando, to build poker rooms and quarterhorse racetracks...proponents say that organized crime went out with Bugsy Segal many years ago, and that it is no longer an issue...the facts do not bear that out...Opponents say that gambling is a target for crime...statistics show this to be true. Would you want this kind of establishment to be in your neighborhood? Has gambling ever effected you or anyone in your family or someone you know? Your feelings?
Well, I have not moved there yet, but I can give you my two cents from here in PA, where I have recently been sandwiched between two racetracks with slot machines...one in Chester, about 2 miles away, and at least 1 in Philly, about 6-7 miles in the other direction away.

They promised to give money to our schools when they built them two years ago.....still waiting for that money. I am a dental assistant, and one of my patients was drugged at the Chester casino. Lucky for her she did not drink alcohol and the effects of the drug did not hit her until she was home in bed, they rushed her to the hospital and found about 6 different drugs in her system....she does not do any drugs or drink. They went to see a show and had dinner at the buffet (where they suspect someone slipped something into her drink) Had she been drinking alcohol, the effects would have been more immediate (and likely sinister) She may have been robbed, raped, or who knows what else. The casino told the police (the same night) that the video tapes had already been erased....rrrright....sounds like an inside job to me.

Another of my patients works for the casino and was jumped and beaten on his walk home (in his casino jacket - which was not too bright, but still) from work at 11 PM.

Don't tell me casinos don't bring crime, they most certainly do. Easy targets , with easy money....in towns with poverty . The proponents of these casinos say "we are providing jobs"....YA. Job opportunities for the muggers.

So I can tell you , after two years, the cities have seen no cash flow from the casinos, the crime is up, the business is up, so I guess tax revenues must be up....but I sure as heck don't go to either part of town.

Casinos, IMHO, cater to those who can least afford it, they give false hope of easy money, to those who can least afford to gamble their last pennies to try and achieve it. I know....my father is a gambler.

I am of the mindset, that each person is responsible for their own behavior however, so I do not believe they should be illegal, but....
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Old 01-01-2009, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Thanks for your post. I live in a quiet little town just north of Orlando, a little Mayberry R.F.D., bedroom kind of a town...we need our roads fixed, shoulders built on the roads, lights on the dark roads..new plumbing..etc...so we are vulnerable, some of the residents are only thinking money, money, money...and the developer knows this, but us others say that is a compromise of our lives as we know them, and our futures...but our schools are "A" schools, we can't expand as other cities may be able to because the St. Johns River borders the entire south and West sides, and cities right on our borders on the east and north...the undeveloped land we do have left is pristeen, beautiful land...so this developer is trying to get this in...we fought and fought, the city council voted 3 to 2 against it...whew!! That was close. We think he'll be back to try again, so we are prepared to fight again...I need some facts to share at the next city council meeting when it is my turn to voice my opinion...I do not want it...just because of the exact things you have elaborated on here...
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Old 01-01-2009, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Oviedo, Fl formerly from the Philly Burbs!
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Thanks for your post. I live in a quiet little town just north of Orlando, a little Mayberry R.F.D., bedroom kind of a town...we need our roads fixed, shoulders built on the roads, lights on the dark roads..new plumbing..etc...so we are vulnerable, some of the residents are only thinking money, money, money...and the developer knows this, but us others say that is a compromise of our lives as we know them, and our futures...but our schools are "A" schools, we can't expand as other cities may be able to because the St. Johns River borders the entire south and West sides, and cities right on our borders on the east and north...the undeveloped land we do have left is pristeen, beautiful land...so this developer is trying to get this in...we fought and fought, the city council voted 3 to 2 against it...whew!! That was close. We think he'll be back to try again, so we are prepared to fight again...I need some facts to share at the next city council meeting when it is my turn to voice my opinion...I do not want it...just because of the exact things you have elaborated on here...
Well, you can almost be assured, if the casino develops and does any road or lighting improvements, it will ONLY be those that directly improve their on property and those roads directly coming in and out of their property. Then, think about that.....do you want all that traffic? Alot of which is night time traffic. Many of whom will leave drunk. Do you want your children exposed to men who 'think' they have money and want to lure your young teenagers into that sort of 'life'? Fast money and booze (and who are only looking for some action on their part?) And, by the way, illegal prostitution almost always follows the casino action. Sad, but true. Where will these ladies choose to live then? Close by, I am almost sure....you want them living in your sleepy bedroom town with their pimps?

Well,...that is my opinion anyway...lol...not trying to scare anyone!!! I can't say how you CAN improve what you need in your town... I do know that in the city of Orlando there is an Economic development commission that is tasked with helping not only Orlando but the surrounding Counties (of which Seminole is included). They gave us a nice presentation on how they help develop new business opportunities, keep current ones in good shape, and other things. Perhaps your council can give them a call and see if they can think of other business options for your town that would be better alternatives? They are on Lake Eola.
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Old 01-01-2009, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Well, you can almost be assured, if the casino develops and does any road or lighting improvements, it will ONLY be those that directly improve their on property and those roads directly coming in and out of their property. Then, think about that.....do you want all that traffic? Alot of which is night time traffic. Many of whom will leave drunk. Do you want your children exposed to men who 'think' they have money and want to lure your young teenagers into that sort of 'life'? Fast money and booze (and who are only looking for some action on their part?) And, by the way, illegal prostitution almost always follows the casino action. Sad, but true. Where will these ladies choose to live then? Close by, I am almost sure....you want them living in your sleepy bedroom town with their pimps?

Well,...that is my opinion anyway...lol...not trying to scare anyone!!! I can't say how you CAN improve what you need in your town... I do know that in the city of Orlando there is an Economic development commission that is tasked with helping not only Orlando but the surrounding Counties (of which Seminole is included). They gave us a nice presentation on how they help develop new business opportunities, keep current ones in good shape, and other things. Perhaps your council can give them a call and see if they can think of other business options for your town that would be better alternatives? They are on Lake Eola.
An Economic Development Commission, Huh? I'm not sure if we have that here or not...I will definstely look into it though, for sure, thanks! If not, we should! No, I don't think you are "scaring" anyone off, I think what you say holds much wisdom...I can only hope more here feel the way you do..than don't. Do I inquire about this commission directly from the Mayor? I appreciate your imput. Can you tell me more about how this commission works...who would be on the board...etc?
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Old 01-01-2009, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Oviedo, Fl formerly from the Philly Burbs!
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An Economic Development Commission, Huh? I'm not sure if we have that here or not...I will definstely look into it though, for sure, thanks! If not, we should! No, I don't think you are "scaring" anyone off, I think what you say holds much wisdom...I can only hope more here feel the way you do..than don't. Do I inquire about this commission directly from the Mayor? I appreciate your imput. Can you tell me more about how this commission works...who would be on the board...etc?
Orlando does have this commission - It is called the Economic Development Commission on Lake Eola...I forget the street tho, but it should just be in the phone book. I went there as a prosepective employee to the Orlando area and they gave a nice presentation on what they do, and job opportunities and development in and around the area.

I don't really know who you could call there but, I would just look it up in the phone book, and cold call to find out. Then take that info to your local board and have them draft a plan of action. Contact them for an assesment maybe? They told us, part of what they do is to work with local chamber of commerces, and businesses, to not only bring new business into the city proper and metro areas, but to help train businesses on how to attract good employees, retain them, and train them. How to set up good business plans and models, etc. Hey, give it a shot, what do you have to lose, right? And they did tell us, just because they are based in Orlando city, they don't only work in Orlando, they work with the five surrounding counties as well, the whole 'metro' area. check it out!
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Old 01-02-2009, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Orlando does have this commission - It is called the Economic Development Commission on Lake Eola...I forget the street tho, but it should just be in the phone book. I went there as a prosepective employee to the Orlando area and they gave a nice presentation on what they do, and job opportunities and development in and around the area.

I don't really know who you could call there but, I would just look it up in the phone book, and cold call to find out. Then take that info to your local board and have them draft a plan of action. Contact them for an assesment maybe? They told us, part of what they do is to work with local chamber of commerces, and businesses, to not only bring new business into the city proper and metro areas, but to help train businesses on how to attract good employees, retain them, and train them. How to set up good business plans and models, etc. Hey, give it a shot, what do you have to lose, right? And they did tell us, just because they are based in Orlando city, they don't only work in Orlando, they work with the five surrounding counties as well, the whole 'metro' area. check it out!
Thank you Parrotrosie...I'm going to do just that! I appreciate your help! If you think of anything else...let me know!
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Old 01-03-2009, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Orlando, Florida
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  • In the first six years of casinos in Minnesota, the crime rate in counties with casinos increased more than twice as fast as in non-casino counties. According to an analysis by the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the median crime rate in casino counties rose 39 percent during that period as compared to an 18 percent increase in non-casino counties.6
  • The total number of crimes within a 30-mile radius of Atlantic City increased by 107 percent in the nine years following the introduction of casinos to Atlantic City. 7
  • The Mississippi Gulf Coast experienced a 43 percent increase in crime in the four years after casinos arrived. Harrison County, where most of the Gulf Coast casinos are located,
Link: Focus on the Family's Issue Analysis: Consequences of Gambling (http://tinyurl.com/7tfdc4 - broken link)

These statistics could be overblown or one sided...but they still warrant concern.

On the other side of the coin, these additional business' would provide a lot of much needed initial building jobs and then long term jobs. The hotel and restaurant business in the area are floundering and could certainly benefit from the extra tourism.

So, I guess there is a lot to weigh out either way..............
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Old 01-03-2009, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Florida
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  • In the first six years of casinos in Minnesota, the crime rate in counties with casinos increased more than twice as fast as in non-casino counties. According to an analysis by the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the median crime rate in casino counties rose 39 percent during that period as compared to an 18 percent increase in non-casino counties.6
  • The total number of crimes within a 30-mile radius of Atlantic City increased by 107 percent in the nine years following the introduction of casinos to Atlantic City. 7
  • The Mississippi Gulf Coast experienced a 43 percent increase in crime in the four years after casinos arrived. Harrison County, where most of the Gulf Coast casinos are located,
Link: Focus on the Family's Issue Analysis: Consequences of Gambling (http://tinyurl.com/7tfdc4 - broken link)

These statistics could be overblown or one sided...but they still warrant concern.

On the other side of the coin, these additional business' would provide a lot of much needed initial building jobs and then long term jobs. The hotel and restaurant business in the area are floundering and could certainly benefit from the extra tourism.

So, I guess there is a lot to weigh out either way..............
GloryB, I love your name...My grandmother used to say that all the time..."Glory be!". she would say...wonderful memories...Thank you so much for your post! I really do appreciate the link, and the added statistics you offered, this will be very helpful for me in my research. I have been an activist against this coming to our city...DeBary. Our forces are increasing, thank God. We are mobilizing!!! We won the first round, so now we are preparing for the second round, and I want to go with FACTS. I've Googled, crime/statistice/gambling...and there is a lot of information there also...but you never can have to much, so I will take all I can get from anyone who has experience in this matter...personally or otherwise. Are you from Minnesota? I have family there...
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Old 01-03-2009, 02:42 PM
 
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In the beginning they would bring much needed jobs
After that wears off watch the crime to skyrocket. Seen it happen in many cities.
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