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Old 03-25-2007, 11:33 PM
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First off i do have to say that future miss america's would do well visiting this board , who ever the heck it is that asks those questions hit us with your best shot lol.

Here's my take on it

Get out of iraq and quit pouring money in it, put that effort towards this country.

Come down hard on drugs instead of worrying about ciggarette smokers & how much there going to cost the gov, the first thing they do in east st louis when the welfare check comes in is head straight to the liquior store and trade their stamps for cash then head for the nearest dope house while driving there new cadilac which welfare makes the payments on.

Get some real job training going, back unions that offer appenticeship programs.

Quit letting mexicans work here and go home with a tax free check, the gov pays part of mexicans wages allowing the business to hire them then pay cheap labor costs & then let the mexicans off without even paying any taxes but turn around & do nothing for americans.

Offer more incentives to busineses to hire those on welfare.

We need more programs like habitat for humanity.

Do like roosevelt did during the great depression with the tva.
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Old 03-26-2007, 05:07 AM
Location: Journey's End
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I think your idea of seniors taking care of young children while mothers take training and/or work would be one step toward freeing up some mismanaged funds. The distractions that mother's face, and their fear of leaving their children unattended prevents them from concentrating and taking positive advantage of educational advances. Now how to translate this idea into a reality?

Poverty is such a complex condition. People are often born into, and pass on the condition cyclically. I believe one reason the welfare system was overhauled came after a long-term study in Chicago of welfare recipients that had been in the system 2-3-4-5 generations.

Social interventions are required to break these cycles. Education is paramount. Good health care and nutritional education should be included in the traditional school curriculum. Finance should be part of math, and start as early as 3rd grade.

Rance's idea of fewer children is part of the equation. But without educating folks, children become a financial asset not a liability.

Housing developments should be integrated and include poor, median and rich folks so that by example people can see how their choices affect them and others.

Serious social engineering, yes! But will it help, we'd only know if we tried, and it scares off people because at first blush it seems too socialist rather than social justice.

Originally Posted by MoMark View Post
The poor are often fat or obese because the most unhealthy food, ie. fast food, is the cheapest.
Welfare nowadays is nowhere near what it was up to the late 80's. I believe I read somewhere that half of the welfare recipients are off it, either because they found work or because with the changes in the law, they ran out of welfare time.
I think we could do much better with community training programs though and seeing if some of our more elderly folks who spend all day wondering what to do could become volunteers to watch children while their mothers work.
Little children love elderly people and vice versa. It would be wonderful if we could organize volunteer organizations that take the heat off of single mothers and gives them a chance to concentrate on training and getting a decent job without paying all their earnings in taxes, rent, and childcare.
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Old 03-26-2007, 05:20 AM
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all very good posts!!
we also have to change the campaigning, and voting process for politicians, we cant even have a fair, debate on these tough issues raised in this thread...why?? most campaigns are about BUYING votes, how much government monies (our taxes) can be given away to certain sectors, for votes.
for example, say we had an honest politician (an oxymoron?) no matter the party, and he/she was bringing up the same points, as many in this thread, well, the media, would go nuts, call us all hate mongerers, you mention anything about controlling illegal aliens,,,then you are a bigot, you mention anything about birth control, or mothers on welfare, you will be ripped to shreds, the true message, (that i believe does resonate with most americans) would never get out, it would be twisted, spun, drowned by the media, that wants to put labels on anything, and everything. we'd be hate mongering bigots, against certain sectors., and thats not the true message, most of us just want to see more personal responsibility.

does a "compassionate" nation measure itself, on HOW MANY are on welfare, or OFF welfare, giving more folks, self-esteem, setting examples for thier kids, and being part of a productive society?
i believe the latter, how many are OFF, not left desolute, hungry, but encouraging them, to meet thier individual potential, and again, set a good example for thier kids, that no matter the circumstances, thier is always hope in this country!

i feel bad for the , handi-capped folks, and old folks on fixed incomes, the people that really need welfare, but with so much fraud, in the system, the people that really need it,,,there's not enough to go around
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Old 03-26-2007, 09:10 AM
Location: SW MO
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We don't have poverty. If you ever saw the community surrounding the trash dump outside of Mexico City, you would realize that what America has falls far short of poverty.

We have lazy leaches with no motivation to stop taking our handouts. Why work if you can lounge around all day, watch 75 channels of cable, eat well, use alcohol and/or drugs and get a check in the mail every month.

My solution is to remove government from the equation and turn social services over to private charities. It would return the requirement of humility to the equation of using other people's money, as opposed to the sense of entitlement that comes from the government just handing it over.
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Old 03-26-2007, 09:13 AM
Location: Journey's End
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I have seen Mexico City and also India, Peru and Bolivia to name a few.

I have also seen real poverty here in the USA--including right near your backyard--outside of MO.

Although we have some loafers, and lazy leaches, we also have poor folks that need some help.
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Old 03-26-2007, 01:43 PM
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Many of you have raised some valid points. I agree that some welfare recipients need to stop having kids they can't afford. I agree that some of them are lazy and don't want to work. However, as a welfare recipient myself, I must defend those of us who do NOT fit this stereotype. For one thing, no one in their right mind WANTS to be on welfare. Unfortunate things happen sometimes and welfare is a temporary option until we can do better. I had not been on my job long enough to get maternity leave, plus I had complications so I was put on bed rest for six months. So, the only option I had was welfare. The only reason I am still on it is because I want to finish college.
I agree that the welfare system needs to change a little more, because right now, it doesn't encourage anyone to get a college degree. I have been threatened with stopping my cash aid and food stamps because I have school loans, and because I am not pursuing a teacher's degree. They only really support going to school for an AA, unless you're a teacher. Even though the time limit is five years, they make it hard for you to stay in college for four years. Many workers have been supportive, but most of them just want you to get a job, any job, regardless of how little it pays. The only way people will get off welfare is with a good education and a job they can actually support a family on. I graduate next year, and BELIEVE ME, I will be so glad to get off public assistance. I am glad to have it so I can finish school, but it will be great to not have to explain every dime I get and what I do with my time. They do help you with books, childcare and transportation, which is great. But you have to be willing to jump through hoops if you want to get a college degree. You wouldn't believe the time I've spent and the paperwork I have had to deal with just to finish college. I will appreciate my diploma a lot more than others, let me tell you.
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Old 03-27-2007, 12:29 PM
Location: Central Florida
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Invisible: Good for you!!! You have the motivation to do something more with your life and that of your family. And you're willing to work toward that goal, which is what a lot of people lack. They just frankly don't want to put any effort into making things better. So, I wish you the very best life possible!
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Old 03-27-2007, 07:19 PM
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invisible, you should be a welfare to work mentor, or coach, bridge the gap!!
congrats to you, hold your head high!
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Old 03-27-2007, 07:58 PM
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Thank you FL TN Nana and Mainebrokerman,

These are very encouraging comments and I will consider being a mentor for other welfare recipients. Some of them may not be aware that they are entitled to a good education even though they are economically disadvantaged. I have to remind myself that just because I know something, other people know the same information. Perhaps if there are more of us with a desire to get a college degree, the welfare system will have to change to meet the recipients' needs. Thank you all so much.
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Old 03-27-2007, 10:53 PM
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To call all of our fellow Americans who are poor "lazy leaches" (I believe you mean "leeches") makes me wary of your power as a moderator!

The homeless guy right around the corner from my apartment to whom I gave a blanket and bought a meal about an hour ago didn't look like a "lazy leech".

The 21-year-old black mother of three who pushes her cheap stroller down Tenth Avenue looking for food is helped by a private charity, yet she can't escape poverty.

The white girl in West Virginia near the interstate gas station who was starving because their parents had lost their jobs and could'nt feed their ten children didn't look like a "lazy leech". I bet you her parents weren't useless bast**ds either.

To me, they are as heartbreaking, empoverished and REAL as the dirt-poor peasants I've seen in third-world countries. And as ontheroad well says, they're right on our backyard.

What are we doing to help our American brothers and sisters, other than blaming them for their calamities?
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