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Old 10-29-2011, 07:46 AM
 
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Millions every day? Really?
What you don't think it's in the millions, seriously? Hmm, well maybe I am exaggerating a little with a million every day just in this Country. But I'd say Millions have gone missing over the years when one missing is more than enough.

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Old 10-29-2011, 08:36 AM
 
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I think a leash would be more practical and cheaper.
i use a leash when it makes sense, like in a busy mall. but a gps would be a good supplement and would give me the peace of mind to possibly give the daughter a little more freedom. i know when i was home in nj and had my wife and mother in law go to disney with my daughter, i would have been happy if she had the gps on her.

as far as cost is concerned, my entire house could burn to the ground and all my investments could bottom out and it still wouldnt hurt me as much as losing my daughter (and my dog and cat could die in the house fire). so spending $200 or so bucks on a device and $20 a month isnt going to bother me.
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Old 10-29-2011, 06:17 PM
 
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Maybe it's time to have all newborns micro chipped from birth. Have it downloaded to a police, FBI, missing persons site/computer or whatever and use their Social Security Number to locate the exact micro chip that belongs to them when trying to locate a child/infant that has gone missing. Had this been implanted in Jahessye Shockley, and baby Lisa they wouldn't be missing. Caylee Anthony might have been found sooner had this been done for her. I say go even further and make the chip capable of triggering an alarm to the authorities if, God I hate to say it, if a pulse is not present to indicate child is in emergency medical need.
I really can't think of many things more frightening than the government chipping and tracking people. I'm not one for slippery slopes arguments, but that particular slope is so slippery it ends in Gattaca country.
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Old 10-29-2011, 07:48 PM
 
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My research involves using the most accurate GPS devices available for mapping purposes, so I know a little bit about GPS. If you live in a city, or even a suburb with a few tall buildings, a GPS enabled device for finding a child is going to be next to useless.

A clear skyline is necessary for accuracy anywhere in the 10m range. For example, even being in a car makes it impossible to triangulate (with at least 4 satellites) let alone inside a building or worse yet a basement. I think having a gps attached to your child would just give a false sense of security.

Also, the analogy to lo-jack is not appropriate primarily because it is not GPS but rather a radio signal but also because cars are rarely inside an area like a large building (garages tend to be rather open in their construction).

And microchips do not have GPS in them. They are passive receivers not transmitters.
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Old 10-29-2011, 08:01 PM
 
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i use a leash when it makes sense, like in a busy mall. but a gps would be a good supplement and would give me the peace of mind to possibly give the daughter a little more freedom. i know when i was home in nj and had my wife and mother in law go to disney with my daughter, i would have been happy if she had the gps on her.

as far as cost is concerned, my entire house could burn to the ground and all my investments could bottom out and it still wouldnt hurt me as much as losing my daughter (and my dog and cat could die in the house fire). so spending $200 or so bucks on a device and $20 a month isnt going to bother me.
A gps that gives you accuracy to less than 10 meters is going to cost around 8k. Additionally, it would not work indoors or particularly well at Disney World.

Finally, the idea of kidnappings occurring at Disney or any theme park is apparently an urban myth.

snopes.com: Kidnapped Child Rumor
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Old 10-29-2011, 08:53 PM
 
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I really can't think of many things more frightening than the government chipping and tracking people. I'm not one for slippery slopes arguments, but that particular slope is so slippery it ends in Gattaca country.
*sigh* I don't like the thought of it either. I can't help but think it's going to happen sooner or later anyway. The way I see it is that the Government already does track us now anyway, adults I mean, just not with an implanted GPS. I think it doesn't do any harm when it comes to the Government tracking children until at least age 16 then at that age I would have it removed. There are too many demented predators out there lurking, waiting to catch the most vulnerable child they can get. It's horrible to have to think of it but it is necessary to. Gattaca sounds familiar I'll have to Google it.
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Old 10-29-2011, 09:38 PM
 
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*sigh* I don't like the thought of it either. I can't help but think it's going to happen sooner or later anyway. The way I see it is that the Government already does track us now anyway, adults I mean, just not with an implanted GPS. I think it doesn't do any harm when it comes to the Government tracking children until at least age 16 then at that age I would have it removed. There are too many demented predators out there lurking, waiting to catch the most vulnerable child they can get. It's horrible to have to think of it but it is necessary to. Gattaca sounds familiar I'll have to Google it.

Expect, as has been repeated many times, violent crime against children continues to fall, and the vast majority of kidnapping cases are by people known to the children, typically family members.

And this is another danger of GPS by it in anklet form or implant- it teaches children that privacy and government surveillance is worth giving up for safety- even when the danger is miniscule.

It isn't going to happen sooner or later unless we let it.
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Old 10-30-2011, 06:54 AM
 
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*sigh* I don't like the thought of it either. I can't help but think it's going to happen sooner or later anyway. The way I see it is that the Government already does track us now anyway, adults I mean, just not with an implanted GPS. I think it doesn't do any harm when it comes to the Government tracking children until at least age 16 then at that age I would have it removed. There are too many demented predators out there lurking, waiting to catch the most vulnerable child they can get. It's horrible to have to think of it but it is necessary to. Gattaca sounds familiar I'll have to Google it.
The vast majority of people who harm children are related to them.

The idea of the demented stranger is a dangerous one because that make you less likely to notice when your child is being harmed, by someone you know.
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Old 10-30-2011, 06:58 AM
 
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Expect, as has been repeated many times, violent crime against children continues to fall, and the vast majority of kidnapping cases are by people known to the children, typically family members.

And this is another danger of GPS by it in anklet form or implant- it teaches children that privacy and government surveillance is worth giving up for safety- even when the danger is miniscule.

It isn't going to happen sooner or later unless we let it.
That's just it I don't consider it miniscule. To me one child is more than enough reason to have the option to use it. Who says the kid has to know. I mean at such a young age parents already know every move they make or at least they should. So what if Law Enforcement can see where your child is? I doubt the kid would care especially when they are young enough to believe Santa knows everything they do. I doubt a child would think anything of it until they reach their teens or maybe tweens. The only privacy a child should expect would be when getting dressed, bathroom and other personal reasons and that depends on the age. Even if it's a Family member at least the child can be found with the implant but I wouldn't tell anyone they have it. To me it would be better to have some way of having some hope to find them when/if they go missing.

The Government already has ways of knowing even without the GPS just not at the exact moment.

I am against this when it comes to using it on adults except the mentally ill who may wander, putting themselves in harms way, other than that I see no reason to use it on adults or older kids.
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Old 10-30-2011, 07:04 AM
 
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The vast majority of people who harm children are related to them.

The idea of the demented stranger is a dangerous one because that make you less likely to notice when your child is being harmed, by someone you know.
And when they go missing regardless of who took them at least the GPS can help to find. It's hope and an attempt to at least find them, find where they are even if it's too late and they have already been murdered. It might also help track there whereabouts before missing and that might help find who they were last with. There's no guarantee but it's worth it to try and do everything to keep them safe or at least be able to find them instead of being tortured with not knowing were they are, are they still alive, are they safe, who has them.
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