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Old 03-02-2012, 10:47 AM
 
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Toddlers have fits from many things that are not related to being told "no".
Oh, I totally agree.

I didn't mean to imply there was only one reason for the TT's. Or only one way to solve them or deal with them. (I knew I should have stayed away from this thread. That will teach me.)
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Old 03-02-2012, 06:16 PM
 
Location: TX
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I take issue with your statement that the "terrible two's are are nothing more than the result of telling a child who could originally do anything they wanted that all of a sudden, they can't".
Maybe because you took it as a statement. I started it off with "At times, I think..." for the reason that I knew it wasn't necessarily true. Kinda like, "At times I think my wife and I would be better off if we just didn't talk"

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Wait until you experience these difficult phases before judging. You say your child has a difficult temperament. You'll see what I mean. Some parents who have more mellow children don't experience difficult phases in the same way as a parent of a child with a more intense personality so the parent of the mellow child may judge and think these phases either don't exist or are easier for them because they are a better parent. It happens.
Of course it does. But quite frankly, I think my son is "old enough" to be putting us through the difficult phase already. The "terrible twos" do not necessarily begin at age 2. Just because we disagree on this issue doesn't mean I haven't experienced much of what you have. We may go through the same EXACT experiences in life, and still end up interpreting it all very differently; people do it all the time.
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Old 03-03-2012, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Formerly TX, UT and CT - Currently NC
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I'm struggling to find any type of discipline that I honestly believe would be effective and/or appropriate for a 10 month old baby, and aside from using the word "no", I can't think of anything whatsoever.

I'm not trying to be mean, because I know parenting can be difficult sometimes, but if you are struggling so much with a baby that you're contemplating punishment, have you tried parenting courses that teach effective ways to handle situations? There are also some books out there towards parenting challenges (123 Magic is a great one for kids that are a little older) that you could try.

Good luck.
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Old 03-03-2012, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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For the love of God... Discipline IS NOT punishment.

I'm struggling with understanding how ADULTS don't understand the meaning of A WORD.
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Old 03-03-2012, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Southern Illinois
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I'm struggling to find any type of discipline that I honestly believe would be effective and/or appropriate for a 10 month old baby, and aside from using the word "no", I can't think of anything whatsoever.

I'm not trying to be mean, because I know parenting can be difficult sometimes, but if you are struggling so much with a baby that you're contemplating punishment, have you tried parenting courses that teach effective ways to handle situations? There are also some books out there towards parenting challenges (123 Magic is a great one for kids that are a little older) that you could try.

Good luck.
There have been all kinds of helpful suggestions on here. The best ones relate to removing the stimulus--if baby plays too rough, you tell her no and if she doesn't stop, you put her down. That's all, they learn quick enough. And again, the OP did not say punishment, she said discipline--I'm with threerun--folks need to pick up a dictionary.

Fact is, you let them walk all over you from the beginning and it will never stop--you set limits early, and teach them how things are done in this family. Spankings and timeout are not appropriate at this age level as several have discussed here.
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Old 03-03-2012, 03:42 PM
 
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When you discipline a child, it involves some sort of punishment, whether it be correcting the behavior, a lecture, a spanking, time out or grounding.

It's just the way the word is used today.

When you "discipline" a child, it's usually with some form of punishment.
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Old 03-03-2012, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Maybe in your world, but not mine. Discipline is adherence to or principled with regards to a set of rules and conduct.

If you use punishment to obtain discipline- that's your choice, but don't assume everyone thinks that way- and that is the entire point of this giant cluster of a misunderstanding.
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Old 03-03-2012, 04:13 PM
 
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Maybe in your world, but not mine. Discipline is adherence to or principled with regards to a set of rules and conduct.

If you use punishment to obtain discipline- that's your choice, but don't assume everyone thinks that way- and that is the entire point of this giant cluster of a misunderstanding.
Look here captain oxford dictionary...
I wasn't saying that WAS my definition. I was explaining how people here were using it and how most people in general are using the word.

Hell, discipline...punishment don't exist in my dictionary....
Maybe punishment but in a whole different context.
I could care less.

You're welcome for my clarification.


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Old 03-03-2012, 05:34 PM
 
Location: TX
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I'm with txtqueen on not caring WHAT it's called when you discipline/punish/correct/teach a 10 month old. All I consider is if it works without adverse consequences. So far, we've been skilled/thoughtful/lucky/blessed enough for that to be the case

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Old 03-04-2012, 02:34 PM
 
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When you discipline a child, it involves some sort of punishment, whether it be correcting the behavior, a lecture, a spanking, time out or grounding.
No. Just no. That those two words have become synonymous in some minds I will forever fight against. It obfuscates the bigger picture of what good, investment, positive discipline can be that teaches so much more than Don't Do That.
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