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Old 05-11-2012, 08:40 PM
 
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What Eresh said.

You posted a theory and asked what we thought. We told you. Don't complain that you are being attacked. You didn't specify "share your thoughts if you agree with me."

As for the Presidents, wouldn't we have to look at anyone who ever ran for president, as they would be as power hungry as the ones who actually won? (I'm not suggesting we actually do that).
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:49 PM
 
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I don't know it's increasingly begining to be believed that determination of the gender might be more complex then we thought out. Can A Pregnant Woman's Diet Affect Baby's Sex? : NPR. I've also seen studies showing women with higher veg and grain intake more likely to have girls.
Yes, it is quite complex. There is a ton of gene regulation/chemistry that occurs during fetal development (and that study, like most others) is reporting on the number of live births.) With that said, it still takes a Y chromosome with a functional SRY gene to make a male and lack of it to make a female (I'm using the biological definition of male = testes and female = ovaries.). Are there some aspects that can make a female's body more receptive to X sperm than to Y sperm? absolutely! However, I still have not seen evidence that personality (the OP's original assertion) is one of them.
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Old 05-11-2012, 09:49 PM
 
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I have had a theory about who has boys and who has girls. It's pretty much anecdotal, but I have some scientific data that backs it up.

A WARNING BEFORE YOU READ! None of these traits are "bad" or "good" and are not meant to offend anyone. Any if taken to an extreme could be negative. but most are neutral.

It seems that woman who have sons, or a preponderance of sons, share the following traits - more assertive, tend to be the "leader in the relationship, driven to success, dominant, and tend to chose more passive partners. They are also more interested in sex than their daughter breeding sisters, and more apt to have orgasms.

Women who have daughters tend to choose more dominant partners, who are often quite successful. They tend to be more submissive or passive, and somewhat less interested in sex than their son bearing partners.

Men who have sons are more passive and generally less macho. They are less competitive in general, and although they may be well educated, they are not into achievement for the sake of achievement. They are not terribly competitive or aggressive. Their relationships with women are more egalitarian. They are do not have overly high sex drives.

Men who have daughters are very competitive. They also tend to be quite successful in whatever they choose. They are dominant in their relationships with women, and very interested in women. They are more likely to have affairs (NOT ALL DO) than men who have sons. Their sex drives are quite high. They may couple with high achieving woman, but what ever their partners achieve, they will achieve more. They tend to be hyper, on the move, and interested in exploration travel and conquering new things.

My theory can also be used to chart changes with in long term relationships, and shifts in power, as with a family with 3 boys and two girls. I see the reverse more frequently.

What do you think? Please don't give me one example of one situation.

Food for thought - think of the US Presidents.
First, it isnt a theory, its just an idea.

Anyway, the ONLY thing that determines sex of a child is whether an X or Y carrying sperm meets the ovum. Nothing else, no traits of the mother, in anyway beyond the alkalinity of vaginal secretions can effect this. And even that is exceedingly limited.

As for men, the y chromosome is much smaller and lighter, this likely explains why slightly more boys are born than girls. Not much else matters, certainly not personality traits.
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Old 05-11-2012, 09:52 PM
 
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Research done by Landrum B. Shettels of Columbia University, who pioneered gender selection.
Could you be more specific?
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Old 05-11-2012, 09:54 PM
 
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Ugh, I just read the whole thread. You might as well be claiming it is a function of astrology.
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Old 05-12-2012, 02:10 AM
 
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I think it's ridiculous, and sexist, to assume that just because presidents have had daughters, their wives were weak, spineless inorgasmic wet dishrags waiting for daddy dearest to command them to spread their legs.

Most of those presidents had wives with more solid backbones than they had. And "yet" - they produced daughters.

That's what I think. And I didn't post a single personal anecdote.
Sexist? Me? Well OK think what you wish, but you did not read carefully my initial post. I was clear that none of these qualities, in and of themselves, were negative or positive.

Many of the Presidents who I posted had or have formidable and accomplished wives. No one is denying this.

I'm not sure why all of this hostility. If anyone is interested in the connections that I drew, I'd love to share.

But if they just want tp make fun of me, that is so not cool.
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Old 05-12-2012, 07:50 AM
 
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Yes, it is quite complex. There is a ton of gene regulation/chemistry that occurs during fetal development (and that study, like most others) is reporting on the number of live births.) With that said, it still takes a Y chromosome with a functional SRY gene to make a male and lack of it to make a female (I'm using the biological definition of male = testes and female = ovaries.). Are there some aspects that can make a female's body more receptive to X sperm than to Y sperm? absolutely! However, I still have not seen evidence that personality (the OP's original assertion) is one of them.
Yeah and since i posted 9 presidents with more sons than daughters i think i blew the theory out of the water a bit .
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Old 05-12-2012, 07:59 AM
 
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Also the same goes for business men. Sure steve jobs and bill gates had mostly daughters, but sam walton and warren buffet have mostly sons. I just don't see your theory as really having a lot of weight behind it.
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Old 05-12-2012, 08:33 AM
 
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Sexist? Me? Well OK think what you wish, but you did not read carefully my initial post. I was clear that none of these qualities, in and of themselves, were negative or positive.

Many of the Presidents who I posted had or have formidable and accomplished wives. No one is denying this.

I'm not sure why all of this hostility. If anyone is interested in the connections that I drew, I'd love to share.

But if they just want tp make fun of me, that is so not cool.
IT IS BASIC GENETICS. Y chromosome makes boys X makes girls.

Really is that simple.

How does a womans personality change a mans sperm?

Please explain that.
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:24 AM
 
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IT IS BASIC GENETICS. Y chromosome makes boys X makes girls.

Really is that simple.

How does a womans personality change a mans sperm?

Please explain that.
1. That's under perfect conditions.

2. It doesn't "change a man's sperm" It can change the frequency, and timing of pregnancy. The more frequent sexual relations occur, and the more random the timing, (because babies conceived at or around the time of ovulation tend to be boys) the more likely the product of conception will be a girl. OK so far?

The more sexually active a couple is, the greater the frequency of intercourse the more likely that a girl will be born. A couple who has frequent intercourse (or a man who thins out his sperm count in other ways with someone else or by himself) the more likely the implantation will occur at a time that is not ovulation. Boys are born on or very close to ovulation. The reason for that is two fold - the female sperm ( I already mentioned their properties) are slower, larger and longer lived. If a man is reducing his sperm count, along the means I have suggested, there will be a reduction in overall sperm count, but the heartier female sperm will survive.

The other reason a female is most likely to be born under there conditions has to do with the conditions inside the woman, particularly her vaginal mucosa. At most times of the month, conception actually favors girls.

One would think then, that most babies conceived and born would be female. That isn't true, obviously. One reason is that it is much easier to become pregnant just when the egg is released (at ovulation) The faster, more mobile male sperm get there first, and most frequently, a boy is born.

These are facts and not conjecture. I did not and never claim to have done any of this research.

These facts are used all the time in Gender Selection Clinics.

In fact, I have a friend who works in one (a nurse practitioner) who has observed that clients who ask for a girl (and already have boys) seem to have a certain personality dynamic, and those who ask for a boy (and already have girls) have another.

Yes this in anecdotal. I had this theory when growing up. Before I knew anything about this. I observed families around me, my own included.

My father is an aggressive, competitive business man, successful and driven. He put himself through college, and in a former Marine. In his late 70s he still runs 4 miles a day. He still likes women quite a bit.

He and my mother had three daughters. After consulting with a specialist, they timed the conception of their last child to the time of ovulation. The result was a boy.

So, the personality traits that favor girls (or boys) can be manipulated.
But most births are not manipulated. And (I am just giving the example of female birth here) men who are dominant, aggressive, with a high need for sex appear to be more likely to (with out intervention) give birth to daughters.
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