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Also quite possible that the child forgot himself in the moment. One spank in 8 years means this family has other methods of dealing with their child's behavior, and chose a spanking for this particular behavior because the child hit someone else. I just think making sweeping generalizations about how the kid learned that behavior from his parents is unfair.
By his own words, his own credo is that he is to be unquestioningly obeyed and that consequences must involve pain to get through. You and I have discussed this on this board enough for you to maybe recall that I don't agree with that credo and think it is terribly ineffective. So while this child may not have learned hitting directly from hitting, it seems very plausible that he learned to punish his mother with pain.
PS. There are studies and there are studies proving otherwise. I'd rather believe few thousand years of tradition.
This is why one looks at the trend of results across the massed literature and not at one particular study. I do not care how you choose to discipline your children, but you would be inaccurate to say that the results of the literature are ambiguous because the preponderance find most forms of corporal punishment to be associated with negative outcomes (within the parameters studied). Does this apply to every child? No. It does apply to a significant majority, again under the parameters studied. Before you assume that my children are hellions running wild because I don't spank, the absence of spanking is not the same thing as the absence of discpline. I share your frustration with parents who do not discipline at all.
By his own words, his own credo is that he is to be unquestioningly obeyed and that consequences must involve pain to get through. You and I have discussed this on this board enough for you to maybe recall that I don't agree with that credo and think it is terribly ineffective. So while this child may not have learned hitting directly from hitting, it seems very plausible that he learned to punish his mother with pain.
I missed that, and I don't agree with that philosophy either. I did see that he had only punished his child in that manner that one time. So possibly the child observed other children in the family being spanked often, or maybe not. I don't know enough about this family to come to any conclusions about their parenting methods and the effects it has on their children.
Right, your child just came up with the concept to slap his mother across the face on his own .
He could have observed it at daycare or school. Although it isn't common I have seen it happen occassionally at Junior Kindergarten pick up time (at a nice, upper middle class school) when a mom says "No, we can't go to McDonalds". I get sick to my stomach whenever I see it happen. And, I get even sicker when the mom then backs down and agrees to do what the child wants to do.
This is why one looks at the trend of results across the massed literature and not at one particular study. I do not care how you choose to discipline your children, but you would be inaccurate to say that the results of the literature are ambiguous because the preponderance find most forms of corporal punishment to be associated with negative outcomes (within the parameters studied). Does this apply to every child? No. It does apply to a significant majority, again under the parameters studied. Before you assume that my children are hellions running wild because I don't spank, the absence of spanking is not the same thing as the absence of discpline. I share your frustration with parents who do not discipline at all.
Interesting post in a thread about being disrespectful.
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