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Old 09-20-2012, 10:11 AM
 
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Knowing to use a firearm is like driving a car. Its not that useful (compared to everyone else. . .a lot of people can do it). I mean sure, if you are shooting a gun and can qualify for Olympics but the army won't recruit you because you can shoot. . they can train that quickly

A more adapt analogy, I think, is that a kid creates a virus/hacks a bank. 16 year old.

You must enforce/discipline in such a way that discourages the irresponsibility but doesn't hamper the actual useful skill (flying/computer hacking).
Driving a car or using a gun aren't useful skills? On what planet?
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:14 AM
 
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Knowing to use a firearm is like driving a car. Its not that useful (compared to everyone else. . .a lot of people can do it). I mean sure, if you are shooting a gun and can qualify for Olympics but the army won't recruit you because you can shoot. . they can train that quickly
Useful is not the word you are looking for. Being able to driving a car is VERY useful where I live, in rural New England. We are pretty much stuck at home without it. Being able to accurately and safely fire a firearm is useful here as well. We can dispatch our own rodents, though I prefer to move them with a have a heart trap. We can hunt our own venison. Yum yum.

I think the word you are looking for is unusual. I don't see the value in the unusual by itself.
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:17 AM
 
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Driving a car or using a gun aren't useful skills? On what planet?
You know -

I tried to qualify it, and I mentioned earlier. . .useful (compared to anyone else) in reference to the idea that this is going to be used for the future (college, etc).

if you go back to why I said Airplane was useful, I brought up these points
  • It is unique
  • it is fairly complex
  • it teaches various skillsets (organization, aerodynamics, etc)
  • It is a fairly decent size employment opportunity

So cars and guns really don't follow the above
  • Gun ownership in the US is popular
  • Shooting a gun requires little skill
  • Car ownership/driving is popular
  • Career choices for guns limited
  • Career choices for cars limited (truck driving / race car driving is a seperate unique skillset)

I'm not saying you shouldn't learn to read, drive a car, graduate high school, go to college. That is the bare minimum. I am saying that flying is unique, and uniqueness counts.

You can't put guns on your resume, unless you do something different than the average person.


So I say if a kid actually ever did something like this, ground the hell out of him. . .but don't take away the education.
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:21 AM
 
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You need to hide your key somewhere he does not have access to.
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Northern MN
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Ok so all of you also want to skirt around the law?
Punish, punish, punish.
He could have killed someone or thousands.
He broke many laws.

Then if it is tough love, call the cops and the faa, as he stole a plane and flew it with out the proper certification.
Your a instructor call the authorities and let them punish him
Anything short of that and you are a an accomplish to the crime.
Your a flight instructor what would you do if this was not your son and this kid stole your plane?



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It's just a plane, anyone can learn how to fly, it's not brain surgery.
No one got hurt.
No mass casualties.
Was there will full disregard for life and property?

Could haves.
And he could go on a shooting spree, do we punish him for what he could have done or for what he did do?
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:36 AM
 
Location: New York City
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A fly by night poster?
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Northern MN
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No just someone who sees a misplaced double stranded.

Everyone is saying to punish him.
Then let the law do it, that's why we have laws.
The punishment is not up to dad.
You need to do the right thing and turn him in.
If we are going to do the "right" thing.

or relax, and settle down and hide it.
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A fly by night poster?
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:10 PM
 
Location: New York City
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No just someone who sees a misplaced double stranded.

Everyone is saying to punish him.
Then let the law do it, that's why we have laws.
The punishment is not up to dad.
You need to do the right thing and turn him in.
If we are going to do the "right" thing.

or relax, and settle down and hide it.
I wasn't refering to you The OP has gotten an abundance of advice and support yet he has flown by the wayside.
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Old 09-20-2012, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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JOOC, how is your SS today? Did he learn his lesson after the grounding?
No but the short leash kept him out of trouble for a time. I think a stint in a juvenile facility might have helped.
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Old 09-20-2012, 06:24 PM
 
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No but the short leash kept him out of trouble for a time. I think a stint in a juvenile facility might have helped.
The madness of some of you folk.

First off the FAA ain't going to send him to jail and the DA is not going to try and convict him of airplane theft...which it obviously was not...or any of the strange terrorist crimes on the books. It ain't gonna happen. The worst punishment he would get from the system is a record...which will do far more damage than it will instruct.

The FAA will pull his ticket for 90 days and tell him not to do that again. It has no real criminal mechanism.

OP has wisely left us I think. If he thought a little ahead he would have realized this is not the right place for such a discussion. In fact it could get picked up by authorities and real problems thrown at the OP.
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