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Old 09-24-2013, 05:23 AM
 
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I used to be impressed by a teaching degree, until I read this article:
The secret of Finland's stellar schools - The Week

This is not a diss on teachers, my kids have had some stellar ones. But, getting a degree alone isn't enough to guarantee success as a teacher. And, not having one doesn't mean a parent can't do a better job than some of the people holding positions in our schools.
There are plenty of poor schools out there that people graduate from. Like anything else you have to find the school that has the quality teachers/administration at it.
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Old 09-24-2013, 06:09 AM
 
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I'm sure I could find someone who could do my job with a HS degree even though it requires a bachelors to be hired. The question becomes how many who didn't pursue higher education will be doing all the things they didn't do for themselves?
It isn't at all unusual for parents who aren't degree educated to want it for their children.
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Old 09-24-2013, 06:20 AM
 
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It's interesting how you think things are so obvious gatornation, as a teacher with a degree myself, I know that most other teachers actually feel that homeschooling (even if parents are only high-school educated), is a perfectly good alternative. Perhaps it is because "we" know that the majority of homeschooling parents are very passionate about education.

As much as I love teaching, when you have to teach 30 kids at once, there is only so much you can do. A one-on-one or one-on-three or whatever (depending on how many children that the parent is homeschooling) can provide much better results. Elementary and high school is not rocket science - most literate parents with access to proper homeschooling materials can do a perfectly fine job of it.

I also know teachers who, depending on their partners income, chose to stay home and homeschool instead of sending their own children to school. It I sn't because they are teachers with a degree, it is because they felt a parent/homeschooling community could provide a better education.
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Old 09-24-2013, 06:36 AM
 
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Another person who can't answer the question directly because in reality they'd pick the college grad.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/03/bu...anted=all&_r=0
i answered your question. i said i'd pick the parent, since we are talking about being a stay at home parent, not about choosing a preschool. you have never addressed the fact that the child of a working mom would be going to daycare, not preschool, and that the requirements for teachers are not the same.
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Old 09-24-2013, 06:54 AM
 
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It's interesting how you think things are so obvious gatornation, as a teacher with a degree myself, I know that most other teachers actually feel that homeschooling (even if parents are only high-school educated), is a perfectly good alternative. Perhaps it is because "we" know that the majority of homeschooling parents are very passionate about education.

As much as I love teaching, when you have to teach 30 kids at once, there is only so much you can do. A one-on-one or one-on-three or whatever (depending on how many children that the parent is homeschooling) can provide much better results. Elementary and high school is not rocket science - most literate parents with access to proper homeschooling materials can do a perfectly fine job of it.

I also know teachers who, depending on their partners income, chose to stay home and homeschool instead of sending their own children to school. It I sn't because they are teachers with a degree, it is because they felt a parent/homeschooling community could provide a better education.

As a teacher, you are constrained by the needs of the GENERAL populace that an individual family won't be constrained by. AFAIC, the degree issue is the least consideration when it comes to good outcomes.
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Old 09-24-2013, 07:07 AM
 
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Another person who can't answer the question directly because in reality they'd pick the college grad.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/03/bu...anted=all&_r=0
Interesting, I thought the sentence "no, it's not" was pretty direct.

I'm not a believer that academic achievement in and of itself is an arbiter profound skill in anything. Well, except that you're good at going to school.
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Old 09-24-2013, 11:16 AM
 
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Especially once you get into middle school and high school, I honestly don't understand how people think it is reasonable to home school without any kind of training.

I have a doctorate in science. My job is teaching at the college level. I could probably handle high school level homeschooling in most of the sciences. But history? English? There is no way I could provide kids with the kind of enthused teaching in those different subjects that I received myself as a young person. So I guess my answer to this is that I think almost no one out there is qualified to homeschool in all those subjects, even WITH a degree in one particular subject.

Underlying this whole argument is that if people really feel that they can do better than their local schools, the local schools must be pretty lousy.
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Old 09-24-2013, 11:39 AM
 
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Interesting, I thought the sentence "no, it's not" was pretty direct.

I'm not a believer that academic achievement in and of itself is an arbiter profound skill in anything. Well, except that you're good at going to school.
Salary and employment data would prove that wrong.
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Old 09-24-2013, 11:40 AM
 
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Especially once you get into middle school and high school, I honestly don't understand how people think it is reasonable to home school without any kind of training.

I have a doctorate in science. My job is teaching at the college level. I could probably handle high school level homeschooling in most of the sciences. But history? English? There is no way I could provide kids with the kind of enthused teaching in those different subjects that I received myself as a young person. So I guess my answer to this is that I think almost no one out there is qualified to homeschool in all those subjects, even WITH a degree in one particular subject.

Underlying this whole argument is that if people really feel that they can do better than their local schools, the local schools must be pretty lousy.
Well said.
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Old 09-24-2013, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Eureka CA
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The people I know who have insisted on homeschooling their children are the least qualified to do so. If parents would spend the time they devote to homeschooling instead to helping at their kids' school it would benefit many, not just one kid who's being kept out of school because someone convinced the parent he/she can teach their chill more effectively.
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