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Old 06-15-2014, 10:53 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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^^Generally, when two people make a baby, they aren't wearing any clothes, let alone those of specific colors and styles!
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Old 06-15-2014, 10:57 PM
 
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^^Generally, when two people make a baby, they aren't wearing any clothes, let alone those of specific colors and styles!
And my point still stands. These so called parents failed to teach their children right from wrong. Just because some of you wouldn't allow your daughters to wear shorts that are riding up their butt cheeks doesn't mean other parents have a problem with it.

I saw it plenty of times at the high school I went to. It was also really common for girls (who came from "strict" households) to change clothes in the restrooms before classes started. They'd leave home with jeans and a tee shirt, no makeup (parents didn't allow it) and hair in a bun.

They'd come to school real early, hog the entire restroom changing clothes, putting on makeup and doing their hair. Low and behold half of their butts/chests would be hanging out and they enjoyed the male attention they received because they were actively looking for it.

And if guys and girls are being held to the same standards in middle school, then i'm not sure what the problem is other than some people thinking their kids are above the rules (oh gee, how typical?)
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Old 06-15-2014, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Liberal Coast
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^^Interesting! So guys were allowed to wear skorts and capris? Why wasn't anyone allowed to wear a skirt? Why no colored shoelaces? What a dull and boring place that school must have been. You all must have looked like a bunch of zombies (except for the guys in the skorts)!

This crock about "parents these days" is funny coming from a 20 year old, I must say!
One of my high schools instituted a no colored shoelaces rule and said it was because it was a gang signifier.
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Old 06-16-2014, 12:35 AM
 
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One of my high schools instituted a no colored shoelaces rule and said it was because it was a gang signifier.
Yep, same here. Red & blue being the main colors associated with gangs but I went to a pretty diverse middle school so they took no chances.

But when I was middle school Vans and Converse were all the rage so the shoe laces thing didn't bother students.
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Old 06-16-2014, 09:11 AM
 
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It turns out that no shorts, skorts, capri pants or gaucho pants are allowed in 7th to 12th grade and skirts can be no shorter than 3 inches above the knee. That seems to make more sense then a fingertip rule to me.
The fingertip rule can be assessed at a glance without laying a ruler against a girl's leg, which is what happens when kids and their parents force the issue to the borderline.

The Air Force went through the same issue with women's skirts back in the 80s. The initial rule was "from two inches below to two inches above the knee," but that caused so much turmoil when some women got into debates with their supervisors over fractions of an inch that the current rule is "on the kneecap"--purely because it can be evaluated without a ruler.
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Old 06-16-2014, 09:19 AM
 
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Here's an article from NPR that affirms that the rules are mostly for girls.
The Anatomy Of A Dress Code : NPR Ed : NPR
**If you're wondering whether dress code policies disproportionately govern what female students can — or can't — wear to school, you're right. Our informal survey showed that regulations are more restrictive for women than for men.**
"Informal survey" is worthless--it doesn't even belong in what is supposed to be a real news story.

Male clothing style options are simpler, thus their rules are simpler. But "simpler" does not mean "non existent."
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Old 06-16-2014, 12:31 PM
 
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And my point still stands. These so called parents failed to teach their children right from wrong. Just because some of you wouldn't allow your daughters to wear shorts that are riding up their butt cheeks doesn't mean other parents have a problem with it.

I saw it plenty of times at the high school I went to. It was also really common for girls (who came from "strict" households) to change clothes in the restrooms before classes started. They'd leave home with jeans and a tee shirt, no makeup (parents didn't allow it) and hair in a bun.

They'd come to school real early, hog the entire restroom changing clothes, putting on makeup and doing their hair. Low and behold half of their butts/chests would be hanging out and they enjoyed the male attention they received because they were actively looking for it.

And if guys and girls are being held to the same standards in middle school, then i'm not sure what the problem is other than some people thinking their kids are above the rules (oh gee, how typical?)
First, don't blame the parents for everything. As you said, some change in the restroom. That's not a new idea, either, it was going on when I was in middle school in the early 60s. (Though we had to wear skirts, and the style wasn't *that* short at the time, but the makeup, nylons [which some parents didn't allow their daughters to wear] went on at school, off before going home.]

Secondly, there's a lot of territory between "letting it all hang out" and a dress code such as your school had. I was no fan of the low-cut jeans ca. 2005, especially paired with a short cut top. I thought then, and still do, that the top and the pants should meet. Just one example. I did let my kids wear spaghetti straps.

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"Informal survey" is worthless--it doesn't even belong in what is supposed to be a real news story.

Male clothing style options are simpler, thus their rules are simpler. But "simpler" does not mean "non existent."
Well, complain to NPR then about the story.

Many males look extremely slovenly, even if they're not showing a lot of skin or looking sexual.
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Old 06-16-2014, 12:36 PM
 
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Many males look extremely slovenly, even if they're not showing a lot of skin or looking sexual.
I don't disagree, but "slovenly" isn't normally the target aspect of school dress codes. I think equating for each gender the definition of "skanky" is what the target is.
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Old 06-16-2014, 01:01 PM
 
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I don't disagree, but "slovenly" isn't normally the target aspect of school dress codes. I think equating for each gender the definition of "skanky" is what the target is.
Maybe slovenliness should be an issue. The girls tend to be more dressed up (whether you approve of their garments or not), while the guys sometimes look like they slept in their clothes, which are pretty inappropriately chosen anyway, e.g. junky looking T-shirts, etc.
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Old 06-16-2014, 01:51 PM
 
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Maybe slovenliness should be an issue. The girls tend to be more dressed up (whether you approve of their garments or not), while the guys sometimes look like they slept in their clothes, which are pretty inappropriately chosen anyway, e.g. junky looking T-shirts, etc.
Unfortunately, that gender difference continues well into adulthood.

I personally reject the concept of grown men continuing to dress like adolescents. When I became a man, I put away childish things.
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