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Old 07-10-2014, 01:15 PM
 
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We're not talking about a voluntary decision here we're talking about a legal requirement in the case of a divorce.
Ugh. A divorce settlement, is a contract, where by people who are divorcing, AGREE (meaning voluntarily) on how to settle their marital assets, finances, typically includes custody agreements, and more and more often agreements on college tuition.

For the vast majority of divorces, these agreements are settled by the people divorcing WELL before they even go in front of a judge, meaning it is a voluntary contract they enter into.

 
Old 07-10-2014, 01:28 PM
 
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Ugh. A divorce settlement, is a contract, where by people who are divorcing, AGREE (meaning voluntarily) on how to settle their marital assets, finances, typically includes custody agreements, and more and more often agreements on college tuition.

For the vast majority of divorces, these agreements are settled by the people divorcing WELL before they even go in front of a judge, meaning it is a voluntary contract they enter into.
Ughh i also know there are guidelines and standards that are kept and mediators will tell you what will fly and not. Sometimes voluntary agreeing to a contract is as simple as here this is the best your going to get joe, i know you want this and more equality but if you fight and go infront of a judge you might get a worst deal.

Joe: Uhmmm, i thought having both parents in our childs life as much as possible was what was best?
 
Old 07-10-2014, 01:32 PM
 
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Ughh i also know there are guidelines and standards that are kept and mediators will tell you what will fly and not. Sometimes voluntary agreeing to a contract is as simple as here this is the best your going to get joe, i know you want this and more equality but if you fight and go infront of a judge you might get a worst deal.
Wow. No stats, no sources, shocking lack of knowledge, and nothing more than conjecture and supposition. So is this the best the fathers rights movement has? Thank goodness the vast majority of women go out of their way to support fathers rights.

Your welcome by the way.
 
Old 07-10-2014, 02:02 PM
 
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Wow. No stats, no sources, shocking lack of knowledge, and nothing more than conjecture and supposition. So is this the best the fathers rights movement has? Thank goodness the vast majority of women go out of their way to support fathers rights.

Your welcome by the way.
Who says im a fathers rights person? I don't even know who you are? I believe this is the first time i have even talked to you? It sounds like your just looking for a fight? Or maybe a troll? We can find any stats to justify any position or point, stats really mean nothing. My opinions are based on practical experience while working in the lawfield. You have some agenda but its not cooperation and equality. Your agruments lack maturity and are emotional which doesn't help any movements cause. "No stats, no sources, etc?" Hmm where we debating? I was just expressing my opinions. Hmmm so do want to debate? Lets see if i can even get excited about debating these issues again?
 
Old 07-10-2014, 02:27 PM
 
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Ok well someone is either ordering custody or encouraging guys not to fight for custody? Either its the mediator, lawyer or specialist that are encouraging them to no go for custody. Because once again its hard to believe that only 15% of the total guys where only interested in being part of there childs daily lives and fighting for custody?
I don't know what to tell you. I personally cannot imagine anyone encouraging me to not live with my daughter. I don't think that's a variable at all. They don't want it ime. And the one man I know who wanted it got it. Bless him since he's taking care of 4 kids on his own with a nanny.
 
Old 07-10-2014, 02:32 PM
 
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@lkb0714

In response to post #139 and stats relating to Percentage of Stay-At-Home Moms On The Rise After Decades of Decline « CBS DC. Your arguement makes since. Its only logical that the stay at home parent would continue to be the primary care provider after a divorce. The hole in your argument and logic is after divorce in most cases the primary care parent before the divorce isnt the stay at home parent after. The need to make a living has caused most stay at home parents to join the workforce after divorce and thus the child care providers become the primary care substitute parent.

Further with stats and debate anything is possible, i mean i could even make an argument that having wemon be the primary care provider and having custody of children 85% of the time is unhealthy to the welfare of children under 5. don't you know that stats say women kill more of there own children under 5 then fathers do? Im not even trying yet.
 
Old 07-10-2014, 02:34 PM
 
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^^^^^

Heres the source and stats.

Mothers Who Kill Children
 
Old 07-10-2014, 02:39 PM
 
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^^^^^

Heres the source and stats.

Mothers Who Kill Children
My God. You have certainly made a case for yourself.
 
Old 07-10-2014, 02:43 PM
 
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@lkb0714

Uhmm i don't even recall ever making those claims. I do remember mentioning that there is 168hrs in the week and so how does one justify a 2 to 8 hrs a week standard visitation schedule and say they are interested in involvement of the other parent. Or justify having a stranger spend more time with jr then one parent?

What i said was non-custodial fathers are more compliant

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hawaiian by heart, there is a little button at the bottom where you can quote instead of cutting and pasting and trying to say where the quote begins and ends.

Standard visitation schedules are generally not going to be only 2 to 8 hours per week. Many noncustodial parents get children one week night and one weekend every two weeks. That seems to be standard.

Arrangements will be different depending on where people live. Note that the kids are in school during the day (at least during the school year). If both parents live in the same school district and are willing to bring kids to school after their day, then that is workable.

The noncustodial parent also often gets more time in the summer when the kids are not in school, but if both parents work, the kids may still be in daycare or summer camp.

Weekends are 72 hours, the week day is 24 hours minus time in school, daycare or camp. The custodial parent also has to subtract school, daycare and camp from the time spent. Unless we are talking about an infant and a stay at home custodial parent, no parent is with the child 24/7 (168 hours).
 
Old 07-10-2014, 02:52 PM
 
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I don't know what to tell you. I personally cannot imagine anyone encouraging me to not live with my daughter. I don't think that's a variable at all. They don't want it ime. And the one man I know who wanted it got it. Bless him since he's taking care of 4 kids on his own with a nanny.
Its not so much encouraging someone to not live with there child. As its an issue that in some states there has to be a winner and a loser or a custodial parent and a non custodial parent. Like in my state there is no such thing as joint custody unless both parents want it. So not much incentive to work things out if you know your going to win custody majority of the time, and a judge cant force shared parenting. So yes often, like in my state it goes "joe your not going to win custody, joint custody is off the table, this is prob the best your going to get(visitation/support), you are welcome to go infront of a judge but you might get a worse deal then this? Thus majority of stipulated judmnt
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