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Old 08-08-2015, 06:21 PM
 
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With most kids, you can do this long before age 10. I'd say it is more like 5.
Heck I did it sooner than that, around 2 1/2. I'm the parent, I dictate what the bedtime and wake up times are. Their room was safe from hazards, I left them toys to sell entertain and got my sleep. I NEEDED it.

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Old 08-08-2015, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Brentwood, Tennessee
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Test me at your own risk.
Yeah, yeah.

Is that why you need a perimeter alarm for your kids??

There is no "one-size-fits-all" answer for a problem like this, and besides, your tough-guy tales don't impress anyone here.
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Old 08-08-2015, 11:06 PM
 
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No one is trying to "impress" anyone. I just question the mentality of letting a child dictate bedtime and wake times. That's the parent's domain, they're the ones in charge. It doesn't matter if a child doesn't understand, can't read time etc, the adult does (and can) and they're in charge. They're also larger and easily able to force their will, if need be, to achieve this end, and it's my premise that such is exactly what a parent should do, if necessary, to guide things in the right direction. I can tell you that if either my son or daughter had come banging on my bedroom door at 5 a.m. and they weren't bleeding from the eyeball, they'd WISHED they were. A parent HAS to sleep, it is a NEED, and regardless they're the ones in charge (or SHOULD be).
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Old 08-09-2015, 07:33 AM
 
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For those of you who say just submit to whatever crazy schedule the kids set--where does this argument lead? Eventually are the parents supposed to be going to bed at 7pm and getting up at 3am? Where do you draw the line--obviously there is a line to be drawn and the parents are the ones who do it. i think you'd be wise to get a handle on this.

That being said, it's not an easy problem and even more difficult with the waking of the sibling. I do remember seeing in baby catalogues back in the day when I looked at such things (my kids are now 9 and 12) a special alarm clock that projected a picture on the wall at a set time. It let the child know that when they saw the picture it was now ok to get up. THis would have to taught be restricting the attention and entertainment the child received before the magic picture appeared. There's nothing wrong with telling a 2 year old to stay quietly in their room until a reasonable time. Some kids are still dependent upon an adult to lift them out of a crib at this age--maybe the child just has too much freedom, which can actually be an anxiety-producing situation for a small child.
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Old 08-09-2015, 09:00 AM
 
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No one is trying to "impress" anyone. I just question the mentality of letting a child dictate bedtime and wake times. That's the parent's domain, they're the ones in charge. It doesn't matter if a child doesn't understand, can't read time etc, the adult does (and can) and they're in charge. They're also larger and easily able to force their will, if need be, to achieve this end, and it's my premise that such is exactly what a parent should do, if necessary, to guide things in the right direction. I can tell you that if either my son or daughter had come banging on my bedroom door at 5 a.m. and they weren't bleeding from the eyeball, they'd WISHED they were. A parent HAS to sleep, it is a NEED, and regardless they're the ones in charge (or SHOULD be).
You may be able to dictate the time the child goes to bed and the time s/he comes out of the room, but you cannot make a child sleep or stay asleep.
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Old 08-09-2015, 11:31 AM
 
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You may be able to dictate the time the child goes to bed and the time s/he comes out of the room, but you cannot make a child sleep or stay asleep.
Yep.
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Old 08-09-2015, 12:44 PM
 
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There is a clock you can buy for kids, it changes color and you tell the kids when they can leave their room:

Best Kids Clocks to Help Your Children Stay in Bed Longer | Alpha Mom

So if they want to get up and play in their room that is fine, but you can say "you cannot leave your room until the clock turns green" or whatever.
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Old 08-09-2015, 12:57 PM
 
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No one is trying to "impress" anyone. I just question the mentality of letting a child dictate bedtime and wake times. That's the parent's domain, they're the ones in charge. It doesn't matter if a child doesn't understand, can't read time etc, the adult does (and can) and they're in charge. They're also larger and easily able to force their will, if need be, to achieve this end, and it's my premise that such is exactly what a parent should do, if necessary, to guide things in the right direction. I can tell you that if either my son or daughter had come banging on my bedroom door at 5 a.m. and they weren't bleeding from the eyeball, they'd WISHED they were. A parent HAS to sleep, it is a NEED, and regardless they're the ones in charge (or SHOULD be).
You strike me as the kind of person who has zero respect for their children. While the lazy parent doesn't respect a child's need for structure and guidance, the hard ass doesn't respect a child's need to learn how to exercise judgement or have input in decision-making.
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Old 08-09-2015, 02:11 PM
 
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Blackout curtains work better than power struggles.
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Old 08-09-2015, 06:09 PM
 
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I don't think it's a phase, my son was like this until 15. Now he sleeps until 7:30.
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