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Well, hey, if that's what floats your boat -- have at it. As long as your lifestyle isn't impinging on anyone else's and you don't expect anyone else to pay your way through life and support you in any way, do whatever you want. It's a completely self-absorbed lifestyle that doesn't appear to have any tangible contribution to society (except financing your dealers), but it's your life, if you want to waste it being wasted -- no one is going to argue with you. Just out of curiosity, how do you intend to support this lifestyle?
I have no intention of being a leech, I'm seeking employment right now. I just wanted to offer a window into the mindset of the group of people this thread is about.
In Europe and many socialist countries people can choose a profession such as research and make a solid living doing it without ever any pressures to go into the job market and hold a corporate job. Tons of research projects funded by those socialist governments to do so. In the middle east, like UAE the government is paying citizens the equivalent of a six figure salary here just to go to school and study to become a bio-chemist or nuclear engineer. The country depends on foreign workers because it's easier to take the money and enjoy sports cars and let the foreigners do all the work.
No, I have no impulse to ingest anything and take nothing with any real frequency. I just thoroughly enjoy it and I'm willing to acknowledge it despite what people will inevitably say.
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and your PHD was probably achieved in an attempt to avoid real life.
Yes, partly correct. I did it partly because I enjoy the subject, partly because I was offered the position immediately after graduating and it was way more appealing than the so-called 'real world'.
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We have a special spot for you on the streets of Seattle. Pick a nice corner and bring your own cardboard box. Lot's of nature and free food for the homeless. And it's a good thing you're not hung up on belongings, because the guy on the corner across the street is going to flip your sh*t in the middle of the night and steal everything you own anyway. It's also good that you're fairly young. The concrete won't hurt so bad in the beginning. At least when you're old enough to feel the discomfort of the cold and the hard ground, you will be so out of your mind that you won't really realize how bad it is anyway.
Not sure where you got homelessness from. I expected such comments but that's what happens when I'm honest.
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Who paid for your education? Mom and Pop? They must be so proud!
Way to go dude! You're so cool![/quote]
Nope, loans paid for my undergrad/masters. I was paid to do the PhD.
I'm twenty years older and might have some perspective on your questions:
Highly competent and productive for decades: so I can live the American dream, which requires smart work, connections, perseverance, and other good qualities to achieve.
Earn lots of money: so I can ...well, see above. Oh, and retire well, which now is in sight (10-20 years away). That's merely an abstraction for you, 40 years away.
Fancy things: because I like them?
Married: I hear you there, that's the dumbest thing a man can do (though most do anyway, of course).
Children: beats me, I'd sooner be boiled in oil.
More on children: see previous.
You do it because you *can*. Or, live life in the slow lane, bitterly toiling in a tough lower-wage job, making just enough for the next (whatever unit of substance-of-choice).
The party's over, otherwise. A Ph.D. should know all this, you're probably smarter than I am. I, however, am driven and ambitious, and don't mind failing often (two steps forward, one back). Maybe that's the difference.
You want to scrape buy, by all means have at it. It will wear thin at some point, I suspect. No lecturing from me or anyone else means a hill of beans. It sounds more-vacant than the path of reasonable-success I've chosen to take. To be sure, I lose as often as the next guy, but the struggle is half the fun to get ahead.
It might be nihilistic and it might well wear thin but that's what has been in my head, for whatever it's worth in understanding the situation. This is all a question of motivation and I doubt I'm the only one having these thoughts.
Used to be many young folks just starting out were motivated to make a positive difference in the world, or at least in the portion of it in their immediate vicinity, through either their jobs or through volunteering in ways which could help alleviate the suffering of others or add to the positive quality of others' lives.
Have you considered making your mark this way, rather than frittering away your life continually getting stoned/high?
Or is this notion too passe and old-fashioned for you; something you'd discount as hopelessly idealistic?
I've thought to myself many times that I contribute bugger all to anything. I don't do any harm but I don't help either. Until now I have been busy with edjumacation which has been a convenient excuse not to do any of that.
Is that the only choice in the whole wide world for making a good living? I think you know better than that. It's ok to look outside the box of being in a "proper 'professional'/ career job". You have a demonstrated ability in logical thinking and imagination. Find out what's really stalling you.
It's not the only choice but the original post was regarding graduates who aren't doing something that's supposed to be 'graduate-worthy'.
this is called spoiled brat.He needs to set his priorities. this isn’t right. for reals he is not growing up and doesn’t want to be responsible for anything. you have to tell him to get out and focus on a carreer a girl or something. its bad enough that he thinks he will make it with a pt job and being in HS. I work very hard and pay rent to my parents, I also know the chance i get married or have a kid I’m providing for them. You have to tell him he’s not 15 anymore and since he won’t take your suggestions, he is a stubborn entitled person, he needs to leave. Tell him he wasted all the time in college, but its time for a career now. Help him find a place, help him pay if he’s uncomfortable, but its to late now. This is crazy, some white kids and others just think everything is just handed to them damn. I know life is not about dinero falling from the sky, you got to get out and get it. if he’s got a wifey.. this isn’t right at all.
i understand its hard to find a job with a degree, but its called a career. you either go to school or move out and work FT, how hard is that to understand?
Tell him as it is, he is a adult, he’s comfortable, and he’s stubborn. tell him we need a change NOW. you need to get him out of there and start taking action.. and this is coming from a 19 y/0 at home.enjoy
I'm 28, male, and I've spent the past 10 years gaining a first class degree, masters and recently a PhD in physics, which is a solid foundation to now go after professional career by any normal standards. I've had to move back to my parents' house until I find employment and I'm desperate to get out of there and be independent again, but the thought of being in a proper 'professional' / career job is not an appealing one at this moment. I don't know if it's just that I'm worn out from years of educational stress, but right now I feel like ****ing around and scraping by for the rest of my life. Working just enough to get by, just enough to get loaded and have fun with my dead-end, drug-addled friends that are still right here in my home town where I left them a decade ago.
I'm in a great position to go and do something 'professional' but I keep questioning what the point is. I mean, I go after a serious job where I'm expected to be highly competent and productive for decades - why?
To earn lots of money - why?
To be able to buy fancy things - why?
To keep or attract a woman that likes fancy things (as most of them do) and get married, gambling everything I'll have ever worked for on her emotional whims not suddenly changing - why?
To have a child or children - why?
To spend an absolute fortune raising them and inviting an enormous and avoidable amount of stress/responsibility/obligation into my life - why?
And I've not been able to get past that last "why". What part of that life is supposed to be appealing? It seems to me that in the past there was far more pressure from 'society' for men to do these things (and many other things). Young adult males are not so easily influenced by societal traditions/taboos these days and many of us can just openly admit (to ourselves as well as others) that that life sounds like a boring, depressing crock of ****.
I've come to realise that there's nothing in life I get more enjoyment out of than getting blasted with my idiot friends and enjoying nature. Not learning or developing skills/my mind, not owning expensive luxuries, not eating delicious foods, not being in a long term relationship, not even sex/intimacy. If I'm 100% honest, what I really like the most in life is red wine, cannabis, acid, ketamine, psilocybin, DMT, good music and being outdoors. People will call that immature and short-sighted, and it is, but it's also as honest as I can be about my desires.
this is wat I’m talking about.. you really dont have life do you.
I've thought to myself many times that I contribute bugger all to anything. I don't do any harm but I don't help either. Until now I have been busy with edjumacation which has been a convenient excuse not to do any of that.
You don't do any harm, but you don't help either. You say you love nature and hanging out in it. Do you think "nature," as you know it now, is still going to be there in your future if you allow the greedsters to run amok without you doing anything to stop them? Perhaps you could set aside your "convenient excuses" and sybaritic desires and use your education to join the many who are concerned about cleaning our air and water, conserving our natural resources, protecting our wild places, create clean energy, etc.
No one is asking you to be a wage slave for the Koch Brothers, who are moving to "develop" the Grand Canyon. There's no law that says you have to have a spouse, or children, or own property. In fact, it would be better for the earth if more people eschewed those goals. It would also be better for the earth if Donald Trump didn't become president and tear up the accords reached at the recent UN climate conference in Paris, as he threatened today. So maybe you could get involved in politics. Done honestly, that doesn't pay very well, so you could secure your reputation as a person not chasing material trappings. You might also lend a hand to the San Carlos Apache Tribe whose traditional holy land is being transferred to the ownership of mining interests with help from Arizona senators McCain and Flake.
He has a job, hes not in a rush to go pursue his degree job.
That's a lame excuse.
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