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Old 05-29-2016, 08:23 PM
 
Location: City Data Land
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There is no need for you to straddle a low horse, my dear. Sitters are just absolute last resorts for some of us. And if forced/ necessary to utilize one, we would only hire the cream of the crop. Mental issues? Too much risk involved.
What risk? People hire teenagers all the time without thinking twice about it. People get bids on sitters and hire the one who bids lowest, especially because childcare is so expensive.

Hiring a stranger to care for your child entails risk. Hiring someone being treated for depression is no riskier than hiring someone who isn't. I actually think it may be better because the person accepts the fact that they have a problem and is taking care of it. That's a lot better than denying a problem exists and living a miserable life.
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Old 05-29-2016, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Leaving fabulous Las Vegas, Nevada
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1) I am not your dear.

2) Your attempts at some imagined superiority are really irrelevant considering that sitters are not alone in their potential for depression. Many parents themselves deal with depression. Kids could potentially be with a sitter with no depression and a mother who has depression. Then what? Who cares more, the parents with or without depression? How on earth can we assert superiority in that case? .....

*For the record, I believe people who are dealing with their issues are generally perfectly capable.
Good points, well said!
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Old 05-29-2016, 09:00 PM
 
Location: The Jar
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1) I am not your dear.

2) Your attempts at some imagined superiority are really irrelevant considering that sitters are not alone in their potential for depression. Many parents themselves deal with depression. Kids could potentially be with a sitter with no depression and a mother who has depression. Then what? Who cares more, the parents with or without depression? How on earth can we assert superiority in that case? .....

*For the record, I believe people who are dealing with their issues are generally perfectly capable.

My guess is, if one is going by risk alone, driving around town carries more risk than a caregiver who is actively dealing with their depression. Consider that - do you also avoid driving because it carries too much risk?
Okay, okay. Defensive guilt wins! Dump kids with everyone and anyone you deem suitable. I don't give a shyte, missy. It's on you, not me.

P.S. Having raised kids who are very successful , I have earned the right to my ounce of superiority. We friggin' sacrificed, and it paid off. I just received "the best parent in the world" card from our daughter. She thinks we are excellent parents. Do you wonder why?! If you and yours can say the same, then it's a draw.

To those who care, and have some common sense, you understand what i mean when it comes to children and even a small amount of risk. Yeah, not worth it, period. And some do it for what? A night out? Your hair appointment? A job you really could manage without --if you gave up your hair and nail appointments?

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Old 05-29-2016, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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Okay, okay. Defensive guilt wins! Dump kids with everyone and anyone you deem suitable. I don't give a shyte, missy. It's on you, not me.

P.S. Having raised kids who are very successful , I have earned the right to my ounce of superiority. We friggin' sacrificed, it it paid off. I just received the best parent in the world card from our daughter. She thinks we are excellent parents. Do you wonder why?! If you and yours can say the same, then it's a draw.

Nothing to do with "defensive guilt". I have no regrets, nor have I ever "dumped" my children with anyone.

Again, I'm happy things worked for your family.

Just be aware there are many different ways to parent and to sacrifice. "Excellent" parenting entails a lot of stuff - it is not reliant solely on something so one dimensional as not ever hiring a sitter. And one can be a stellar parent and never receive a Hallmark card stating it.

And my kids are doing just fine thanks.
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Old 05-29-2016, 09:14 PM
 
Location: here
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Okay, okay. Defensive guilt wins! Dump kids with everyone and anyone you deem suitable. I don't give a shyte, missy. It's on you, not me.

P.S. Having raised kids who are very successful , I have earned the right to my ounce of superiority. We friggin' sacrificed, and it paid off. I just received "the best parent in the world" card from our daughter. She thinks we are excellent parents. Do you wonder why?! If you and yours can say the same, then it's a draw.

To those who care, and have some common sense, you understand what i mean when it comes to children and even a small amount of risk. Yeah, not worth it, period. And some do it for what? A night out? Your hair appointment? A job you really could manage without --if you gave up your hair and nail appointments?
I'm with macies mom. Your version of parenting with no sitters ever for any reason is extreme. Any extreme is more dangerous than us middle of the road common sense parents.
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Old 05-29-2016, 09:14 PM
 
Location: The Jar
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Nothing to do with "defensive guilt". I have no regrets, nor have I ever "dumped" my children with anyone.

And gain, I'm happy things worked for your family.

Just be aware there are many different ways to parent and to sacrifice. "Excellent" parenting entails a lot of stuff - it is not reliant solely on something so one dimensional as not ever hiring a sitter. And one can be a stellar parent and never received a Hallmark card stating it.

And my kids are doing just fine thanks.
Yeah, no kidding. But considering the amount of people who like to dump their kids off or on others for hours on end --only to show back up to bathe and tuck them in at night? I know, makes no difference at all. Right? Wrong.
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Old 05-29-2016, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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To those who care, and have some common sense, you understand what i mean when it comes to children and even a small amount of risk. Yeah, not worth it, period. And some do it for what? A night out? Your hair appointment? A job you really could manage without --if you gave up your hair and nail appointments?
Any other old stereotypes you care to bring up?
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Old 05-29-2016, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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Yeah, no kidding. But considering the amount of people who like to dump their kids off or on ithers for hours on end only show back up to bathe and tuck them in at night? I know, makes no difference at all. Right? Wrong.
What does this have to do with the topic at hand?
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Old 05-29-2016, 09:19 PM
 
Location: here
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Yeah, no kidding. But considering the amount of people who like to dump their kids off or on others for hours on end --only to show back up to bathe and tuck them in at night? I know, makes no difference at all. Right? Wrong.
I'm thinking more of the mental and emotional toll it might take on parents who never go out alone, never get their hair done, never really get a break of any kind, especially parents who might be prone to paranoia.
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Old 05-29-2016, 09:27 PM
 
Location: A Yankee in northeast TN
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Of course one never knows what medications someone is taking, but if they have openly stated they are on anti-depressants, I would not consider them suitable.
As opposed to someone who hides it, or self medicates with drugs or alcohol under the guise of having a good time. I see the stigma attached to mental health care is still around, but personally I'd far rather go with the person who is dealing with it instead of hiding it.
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