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Question: If some guy grabbed Ronda Rousey's rear/breast/crotch and she turned around and pummeled the guy would you be saying she was in the wrong? Far as I am concerned when a man hits or inappropriately touches a woman there is nothing she could do to him that should be considered excessive force.
Well it isnt true. A woman is allowed to defend herself to a degree. But excessive force is a real thing. Should she have been allowed to kill him for her grabbing her butt?
I don't know what happened to the boy but I can try to find out, though would they tell me?
I agree with you that sexually touching someone is very wrong yet many here are acting like she hit him for just tapping her shoulder.
The school probably won't tell you, but your daughter should know through grapevine whether he actually got suspended.
You should also call the football coach and complain about the boy's conduct. I knew several old school coaches who would frown on this as it goes against their conduct agreement.
But... School's about to be out, I can understand your daughter wanting this to be done. But just because they won't bother her anymore doesn't mean another girl will be safe.
Question: If some guy grabbed Ronda Rousey's rear/breast/crotch and she turned around and pummeled the guy would you be saying she was in the wrong? Far as I am concerned when a man hits or inappropriately touches a woman there is nothing she could do to him that should be considered excessive force.
If somebody gropes a celebrity (I had to look that one up, never heard of her before) and she reacts with force, she's less likely to face criminal charges than an average person would be.
Your child doesn't have fame to protect her. She has to try to stay within the rules or laws so she doesn't find herself arrested for assault.
Unless the incident is on video, there's no proof that her butt was grabbed. There's no hand print left on her butt cheek. So it's her word against his. And there's probably visual evidence on the guy's face that she punched him. His parents probably called the police and are filing charges for assault. You can hope not, but it could happen. All he has to do is say that he didn't do anything to her, she asked why he was looking at her in an aggressive manner, then punched him a couple of times, and he thinks maybe she did it so she could look tough to her friends. Then when she mentions the butt, it sounds like she's making it up to try to get out of trouble. He did what bullies are great at, ran and told on her first so that his story would be the one they believed.
As far as nothing a woman could do to a man being considered excessive force, let's say I'm walking down the street and a guy squeezes my butt. I pull my concealed handgun and I shoot him. Would that still be acceptable to you? It would certainly be unacceptable to the authorities here and I would, justifiably so, go to jail. So no, the idea that a woman is entitled to react with whatever force she can if she's inappropriately touched is false, and it's a dangerous thing to teach your daughter.
If my daughter did this, I would not be surprised because this is exactly what I plan to teach my daughter. If someone physically assaults you, defend yourself. I have been witness to many instances where a female student has told the administration and it was just a she said/ he said and nothing happened to the male student.
This isn't a case of taking matters into your own hands. This is a case of a natural reaction of self preservation.
Your daughter now has a suspension on her school record and a great big red T by her name for troublemaker. She will be watched from here on out for future troublemaking The boys transgression will be minimized and forgotten, even if he too has a suspension.
And I am not certain that his buddies won't support him by squeezing her bottom once, one at a time. She made them all look bad. They may find a new target but they aren't going to stop and the heat will be on her not them
I have been through this.
IMO now would be a good time to make a teaching point or two. (1) She fought well with her hands. Now add to that ability how to fight with her brain. Reason out options she might have if faced with a similar situation. Role play (2) As trained in martial arts, she has special obligations to contain her response and have the mental discipline to go with her physical prowess.
Good luck. No one should be touched like that and the good news is that next time she will know more about handling things in today's society
If somebody gropes a celebrity (I had to look that one up, never heard of her before) and she reacts with force, she's less likely to face criminal charges than an average person would be.
Your child doesn't have fame to protect her. She has to try to stay within the rules or laws so she doesn't find herself arrested for assault.
Unless the incident is on video, there's no proof that her butt was grabbed. There's no hand print left on her butt cheek. So it's her word against his. And there's probably visual evidence on the guy's face that she punched him. His parents probably called the police and are filing charges for assault. You can hope not, but it could happen. All he has to do is say that he didn't do anything to her, she asked why he was looking at her in an aggressive manner, then punched him a couple of times, and he thinks maybe she did it so she could look tough to her friends. Then when she mentions the butt, it sounds like she's making it up to try to get out of trouble. He did what bullies are great at, ran and told on her first so that his story would be the one they believed.
As far as nothing a woman could do to a man being considered excessive force, let's say I'm walking down the street and a guy squeezes my butt. I pull my concealed handgun and I shoot him. Would that still be acceptable to you? It would certainly be unacceptable to the authorities here and I would, justifiably so, go to jail. So no, the idea that a woman is entitled to react with whatever force she can if she's inappropriately touched is false, and it's a dangerous thing to teach your daughter.
Well first off I find it surprising you have never heard of Ronda Rousey. She is not really a celeb but a UFC fighter.
Anyway I am upset because every day thousands of women in the United States alone are raped/abused/assaulted by men and very little is ever done about it. But when my daughter is all the burden of proof is on her. Imagine how many men would choose not to assault women if they knew death was a high possiblility.
My DD did something similar though with less force. A boy was pestering her. She told him repeatedly to stop. He also grabbed her. She performed some BJJ maneuver. A couple of weeks later, another boy was giving her a hard time. The first boy walked by and said, don't mess with her!
Not that it's any consolation, but this boy (on the football team no less -- would love to be hear the locker room chatter) will be taunted probably for the rest of high school for getting beat up by a girl.
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