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What should they wear? Burkas? Burka bathing suits, at least?
Do you really want to go there? The irony behind all discussions of this nature is that as we invite Islam to become a greater influence on our society out of a sense of cultural tolerance there is going to be an increasing and more violent intolerance for women's sexuality that comes along with it. How are we going to figure those new factors in with how we raise our children to view their own sexuality? Is it safe to teach our daughters more progressive views of their sexuality and their sexual agency in such an environment?
Well I bet the fathers of the boys would have two reactions. One would be "atta boy!" because the boys that the girls were allowing to do the groping were the winners. The other would be "jeez get a room".
I think this sexist attitude (if you have daughters, sisters or a mother, they must be so proud) is a much graver threat than tolerance of Muslims.
I think this sexist attitude (if you have daughters, sisters or a mother, they must be so proud) is a much graver threat than tolerance of Muslims.
You can trot around on your high horse being blind to reality all you want but I think you're being incredibly naïve. I also think you're only reading selected bits of what I'm writing.
Nope, I read everything you wrote. Asserting that boys who grope girls are winning is disgusting. I'm not sure how I'm on a high horse, but if you really believe we're in danger of having some Muslim faction patrolling our beaches and pools, we can't even have a discussion.
Have a great day and tell everyone at Fox New I said hey.
Do you really want to go there? The irony behind all discussions of this nature is that as we invite Islam to become a greater influence on our society out of a sense of cultural tolerance there is going to be an increasing and more violent intolerance for women's sexuality that comes along with it. How are we going to figure those new factors in with how we raise our children to view their own sexuality? Is it safe to teach our daughters more progressive views of their sexuality and their sexual agency in such an environment?
I'm not sure what you mean by "go there"?
I have to be honest, I disagree with much of your assessment (are we inviting Islam to become a greater influence on our society? We have a large, complex and diverse society. I don't see Islam having a large impact in general. I also wouldn't automatically assume that more Muslims equals more violent intolerance for women's sexuality. And even if those first two points were true, no, I wouldn't advocate for teaching girls to cover up at all times and not look at males because some crazy dudes say so.)
However, this was half of my point in referencing burkas: clearly covering female bodies doesn't make them less female or less sexual or less interesting to boys. Covering female bodies also doesn't make them safer, or more respected by males, or "better behaved."
Would the elimination of bikinis make teens less interested in each other? Less sexual? Would girls be more respected? No.
So the other half of my other point is: what do those all those cry about "kids these days" want and expect from teenagers? And how would they achieve that?
Do you really want to go there? The irony behind all discussions of this nature is that as we invite Islam to become a greater influence on our society out of a sense of cultural tolerance there is going to be an increasing and more violent intolerance for women's sexuality that comes along with it. How are we going to figure those new factors in with how we raise our children to view their own sexuality? Is it safe to teach our daughters more progressive views of their sexuality and their sexual agency in such an environment?
Belied by the fact that the most tolerant Muslims in the world are ones born here. American culture wins within a few generations every time.
You can trot around on your high horse being blind to reality all you want but I think you're being incredibly naïve. I also think you're only reading selected bits of what I'm writing.
Your name literally has the word bully in it, let's not pretend you are here to act as a voice of reason.
I disagree with this. I think women should value their bodies and not expose it for public consumption.Moderator cut: delete Parity between male and female doesn't have to be direct.
Females should respect their bodies so they don't get exploited.
It works just fine the other way around as well:>)
It is summer, school is out, it is part of growing up! Take a swim.
I have to be honest, I disagree with much of your assessment (are we inviting Islam to become a greater influence on our society? We have a large, complex and diverse society. I don't see Islam having a large impact in general. I also wouldn't automatically assume that more Muslims equals more violent intolerance for women's sexuality. And even if those first two points were true, no, I wouldn't advocate for teaching girls to cover up at all times and not look at males because some crazy dudes say so.)
However, this was half of my point in referencing burkas: clearly covering female bodies doesn't make them less female or less sexual or less interesting to boys. Covering female bodies also doesn't make them safer, or more respected by males, or "better behaved."
Would the elimination of bikinis make teens less interested in each other? Less sexual? Would girls be more respected? No.
So the other half of my other point is: what do those all those cry about "kids these days" want and expect from teenagers? And how would they achieve that?
As far as Islam is concerned just look at Europe for your example. Until recently Europeans have had pretty much the same views on female sexuality as we have in America but after events of the last couple of years we now have these same Europeans advising their own daughters to dress more modestly to avoid "cultural misunderstandings". As we continue to invite more muslims in by the tens of thousands as refugees and the hundreds of thousands if not millions as immigrants we're going to reach a point where we may have to start giving the same advice to our own daughters.
As to your second point I would only ask that teens "get a room" when engaging in sexual behavior and not do it out in the open in front of adults and families. I've not seen teens being so blatant at the beach as the OP has(and I got to the beach often), so I'm not sure it's really a problem to begin with. My only issue as far as this subject goes is that male and female sexuality are not the same and we should not pretend or treat them as if they are. As parents we do our children a disservice when we do so.
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