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I'm waiting to see a story where Little Johnny has "severe allergies" to dogs, but Susie has a "right" to bring her "Comfort-Dog" to school. Who wins in this hierarchy of victim-hood?
You clearly don't believe that either severe allergies or psychological needs are ever genuine. How about a Seeing-Eye dog. Is it conceivable that a student could actually be blind?
Part of my point was that he actually ate something that contained nuts when he had an allergy. He ate it and had a mild reaction. I get that people have different reactions but I call BS on all these freak outs about people dying from smelling peanut butter or being exposed to nut dust. Come on. If someone has an allergy that bad then they really should be in a special school.
It would be nice if airborne allergies were a myth or an overreaction. It's not the scent of peanut butter, it's particles in the air. Smells are particulate (think about that the next time someone near you passes gas), so every time you smell something it's because microscopic particles have entered the air and then entered your nose. I'm sure you believe people can have seasonal allergies, which are usually caused by pollen entering the nose, and it doesn't have to be so much pollen that you can see it drifting in the air or smell anything different. Airborne food allergies act the same way. It's just that the allergic person is sensitive enough that a small number of microscopic particles will be enough to trigger a reaction.
My allergies to peanuts, soy and latex are airborne. I can usually handle brief trips into places where I'll come into contact with them, but after ten or fifteen minutes I'll start getting big hives on my face and I'll keep having to clear my throat. If I stay there, I'll start sweating profusely and feel like a steel band is clamped around my chest. Then I start to feel disoriented and have trouble finishing sentences, and I start limping because my ankles feel like they're giving out. If I haven't used an albuterol inhaler at that point, I get a barking cough (what my asthma attacks are like) that's almost impossible to stop long enough to use the inhaler. Once I manage to take the inhaler and benadryl, I'll have to sleep several hours at least. I have epi pens but my blood pressure increases during reactions so I'm not supposed to use the epi pens unless I actually stop breathing, unlike most people who would be using epi sooner.
I would assume the biggest problem with airborne allergies and school is that the kid can't just get up and go outdoors when he starts to experience symptoms. That's the same problem with an airplane. That's why the park or the mall isn't as bad, because you can just take off to somewhere where you feel better.
The easier solution is to move the allergic child to another room. Why should 25 students sacrifice for the one? That makes absolutely no sense. What is some parents didn't get a chance to go food shopping and forgot to buy ham or bologna? PBJ is a great easy fallback. Are they going to send their child to school with nothing for lunch because one child in the class cannot be around it? How about the poorer parents who can only afford PBJ? Not everyone is out there buying Boars Head Ham at $8/lb.
Not for anything but my wife is a school teacher at a special ed school and she eats PBJ every single day. I know because I am the one buying it every few weeks. She doesn't like cold cuts. She would just as soon not eat lunch than to eat something else. But why should she have to?
My kids school has the kids snack during lessons. If you remove the allergic child, we're back to the free and appropriate education thing.
Because socialism is all about maximizing the number of people you can negatively affect. Not maximizing the number of people you can positively affect. (From a communist great uncle of my wife)
Except one can die, the other is annoyed.
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Part of my point was that he actually ate something that contained nuts when he had an allergy. He ate it and had a mild reaction. I get that people have different reactions but I call BS on all these freak outs about people dying from smelling peanut butter or being exposed to nut dust. Come on. If someone has an allergy that bad then they really should be in a special school.
What kind of special school? With such a small number of deathly allergic kids, who would go to this school? If you mean a private school, what's the difference? It's still a class room full of kids.
You can have your opinion, but for the 20th time, the law disagrees with you. Public schools are legally required to educate everyone.
Perhaps yes. If someone is so affected by peanut butter maybe they shouldn't be in mainstream school since they are at such risk. And yes peanut butter IS a pretty basic food that many kids eat throughout the day. Putting the whole school on lockdown for 1 or 2 kids always seems like a heavy lift IMO.
Then where should they be and with whom? And why would it be any different to ask those kids not to bring peanut butter?
It'll depend on what is reasonable in terms of cost and accommodation for such to attend school in the same facility as normal children. Will the school district remodel existing schools or build a new unit in which to teach? Is there a budget to do so? Or will snowflake moms demand their children be included in regular classrooms and everyone else will bend over backwards for them? Lately, our society is all about feelwings so I suspect the bigmouths, perhaps with threats of lawsuits, will win.
I'm thankful for private schools.
Why? So your snowflake doesn't have to be exposed to a kid who is allergic, or a special ed kid?
I'm not making stuff up. You're telling me all public schools ban nuts?!? They don't. I'm starting to think you're nuts with how irrational you're being about catering to these 1 in thousands kids who might due from peanut butter. Sometimes when you have a special accommodation or your child does you need to figure out another way of doing things including schooling.
I'm not making stuff up. You're telling me all public schools ban nuts?!? They don't. I'm starting to think you're nuts with how irrational you're being about catering to these 1 in thousands kids who might due from peanut butter. Sometimes when you have a special accommodation or your child does you need to figure out another way of doing things including schooling.
No, that's not what I said. Not every school has a k8d that's deathly allergic. ??? You are putting words in my mouth. Reread what I wrote.
You said some kids with disabilities can't go to public school. That is not true. Public schools have to take them. That means they have to figure out a way.
How about answering my question about what you have in mind for these kids? Where should they go to school?
Not true. Public schools have to take everyone. Everyone. That means everyone. Quit making stuff up.
Sometimes the accommodations the school is able to make aren't enough for the parent to feel like the child will be safe there.
About ten percent of kids with food allergies are homeschooled, and that wouldn't include food allergy kids who are attending online public school. I know we have some at my kids' school because this year during state testing we had to pack lunches but were not allowed to bring peanuts or tree nuts (not a problem at all in my house ) I had sunflower butter but my kids didn't want to take anything that even looked like peanut butter because they didn't want to cause the allergic student any anxiety.
This year my daughter was diagnosed with a heat allergy that she has to carry an epi pen for. While we were waiting for the doctor to fill out the prescription, my daughter was sitting there laughing a little bit. I asked what was funny and she said she had just realized that no matter how much she bummed off on her schoolwork, I wouldn't be able to send her back to a brick and mortar school because they wouldn't be able to manage the heat allergy well enough.
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) I had sunflower butter but my kids didn't want to take anything that even looked like peanut butter because they didn't want to cause the allergic student any anxiety.
