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Babies have every right to be in restaurants. Babies cry. That's totally natural and expected. Something would be wrong if they didn't cry. As a parent, when I get the evil eye from nasty old folks when I bring my baby into a restaurant, I give them the evil eye right back.
If the old hags don't wanna see or hear babies, they can leave. This is a trashy restaurant where all are welcome, not some five star Manhattan restaurant with a 20 course tasting menu.
Of course babies cry. When my kids were babies, they cried at home. I didn't bring them into a restaurant until they had mastered their inside voices and manner. Crazy right? There is absolutely no reason to have a baby crying in a restaurant. Don't you feel bad that you are ruining someone's dining experience?
And I don't care if it's a Texas Roadhouse. There's a difference between loud music and a child screaming. One is pleasant and part of the reason I'm there. The other is unpleasant.
Yeah, I'd like to hear these words of advice. Probably by someone who never had kids.
Anyone who has had kids knows you can't reason with a six (or ten) month old. You can only hold and comfort them. Babies cry. It's totally normal. What isn't normal is old folks angry at babies crying, especially at Texas Roadhouse of all places (which is like rock concert loud).
I had kids.....and I told my story....kids learn at a very young age....and it's very easy to break bad habits.
And back then we didn't have the internet to research. There is tons of information out there
The message the restaurant managers sent is that they're in the business of running a "noisy" restaurant. They even stated they're proud of that. So customers now know not to expect a quiet dining experience there. The public has been put on notice. It's a restaurant for noisy kids that can't be controlled. The dining public can make their choices accordingly.
Babies have every right to be in restaurants. Babies cry. That's totally natural and expected. Something would be wrong if they didn't cry. As a parent, when I get the evil eye from nasty old folks when I bring my baby into a restaurant, I give them the evil eye right back.
If the old hags don't wanna see or hear babies, they can leave. This is a trashy restaurant where all are welcome, not some five star Manhattan restaurant with a 20 course tasting menu.
Even "five star Manhattan restaurants with a 20 course tasting menu"? If you think it's OK for them to scream in "trashy restaurants", then it should be OK in "five star Manhattan restaurants"? I mean, what's the difference?
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An Old Hag who loves babies, but doesn't want to hear them screaming in restaurants, even "trashy restaurants".
So is believing one can float through life never having to suffer a trifling inconvenience, and that any such travesties will be rectified immediately!
That's clearly not what I said. Do you really have to distort the conversation in order to try to make point?
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It really depends on exactly what was going on and how much the baby was yelling. It definitely isn't the same thing as a screaming, crying baby - on that case, if you can't soothe the baby within a minute or so, you need to take it outside, and if necessary, get your food to go and leave.
But babies also go through a yelling phrase where they discover the power of their voice and they just make some happy yells as a way to express themselves. It's a totally different sound than a crying baby although I suppose there is a line where it would be excessive and disruptive.
Given that the manager told the family with the baby that they were welcome any time, and kicked out the people who complained, I'm going to assume that the baby's noise making was in the acceptable limits for a family restaurant that is already on the noisy side. Probably no more noise than a particularly loud adult makes, it just happened to be a baby and some people get bent out of shape about babies making noise, any noise.
However, more yelling than that might be a different story, as would it be if this were a more elegant restaurant with a hushed and quiet atmosphere.
I completely agree. It would be helpful to know how much this baby screamed out. If it was 5 or so times during the meal, well, that's kids. If it was pretty continuous, then that's not acceptable. I was in Target the other day and there was this kid in a cart who screamed out pretty much continuously. The mom shrugged apologetically and said it's echoey in here. It was, too. I didn't care, but hey, I'm headed to the other part of the store away from that irritation. I'm not sure how I would have felt seated next to him for an entire meal at a restaurant.
I wonder what the manager actually did say to the 2 women. The article says "they were asked to leave after they finished their meal". I wonder if they were asked to leave and not handed a bill. "Thanks ladies for coming in, we're going to comp this because of your experience, but if you could leave when you're finished to avoid further confrontation it would be greatly appreciated". That's my guess. It would be good to hear from the women.
Even "five star Manhattan restaurants with a 20 course tasting menu"? If you think it's OK for them to scream in "trashy restaurants", then it should be OK in "five star Manhattan restaurants"? I mean, what's the difference?
Signed,
An Old Hag who loves babies, but doesn't want to hear them screaming in restaurants, even "trashy restaurants".
That's an easy answer. Different behaviors are more (or less) acceptable at different sorts of venues.
If adults are not allowed to scream in a place, neither are kids. We raise kids with the intention of them turning into good adults, right?
Of course, kids aren't going to get it right every time, and no one is perfect, but there are much better ways of teaching them how to act appropriately than ignoring it or saying, "Shh, Johnny" every 5 minutes.
Your kid screams in a restaurant - ANY restaurant - you get them to stop quickly or you take them outside. The idea that kids or anyone are allowed to act horribly just because people spent less on their meal is ridiculous.
The people on this thread say you should practice at home first are 100% right. I bet these parents didn't care or thought it was cute to let their little angel whoop and make fun, loud noises at home.
That's clearly not what I said. Do you really have to distort the conversation in order to try to make point?
Yeah, not distorted at all.
There's an assumption (not just in your reply but in several topics here in many fora) that everything you deem an inconvenience can and should be rectified post haste. First off...your definition of an inconvenience is likely not universal, particularly the definition of an inconvenience that requires immediate fixing. Second...you can't expect your path every day to be paved with rose petals. If you assume it will be you better plan on living with disappointment, frequently.
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If adults are not allowed to scream in a place, neither are kids. We raise kids with the intention of them turning into good adults, right?
Of course, kids aren't going to get it right every time, and no one is perfect, but there are much better ways of teaching them how to act appropriately than ignoring it or saying, "Shh, Johnny" every 5 minutes.
Your kid screams in a restaurant - ANY restaurant - you get them to stop quickly or you take them outside. The idea that kids or anyone are allowed to act horribly just because people spent less on their meal is ridiculous.
The people on this thread say you should practice at home first are 100% right. I bet these parents didn't care or thought it was cute to let their little angel whoop and make fun, loud noises at home.
Wow, so now we're judging what parents do in their own home?
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