Actress jailed in New York 20 years ago for leaving her baby OUTSIDE a restaurant says American reaction was over the to (child care, support)
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I just personally wouldn't do it, but that's because I was born and raised in the U.S. and that is not customary in the states. And even if it was, I wouldn't do it anyways.
Some people leave their young children home alone, too, for extended periods of time. Is that okay if they are from another country where that is acceptable?
One doesn't need to live in a crime-riddled place to know that lots of household accidents can happen.
Yeah, no sympathy from me. I never would have done it for certain anywhere.
Totally normal in Scandinavian countries. I see this all the time in Iceland, even in the winter. Just highlights how sad things are in the States - you have to worry about everyone being a murderer, a kidnapper, or a rapist. Worst that happens in Iceland is someone makes goofy faces at your baby and makes them cry.
Actually live in NYC and recall when this all went down.
On the one hand you had the City of New York being portrayed as over zealous (via NYPD and child protection agency), while others indeed did see it as a form of neglect to leave an infant alone in pram on street.
Case was eventually dropped because for several factors. One was the great amount of noise generated by the "arrest" of this white/European mother for something most saw as a cultural difference.
Two the infant was obviously not otherwise neglected or abused.
Three as the mother was not backing down no one wanted to go into court and risk a jury or judge telling NYC to mind it's own business.
For the record then, before and still now New York City's child protective services is a hot mess. Time and time again children show up dead or seriously abused *after* the agency had visited a home and declared it "safe". This and or they failed to connect dots when informed about potential abuse with horrible results for an infant/child.
Some felt the city was going after this European mother because she was easy pickings. Call about abandoned infant in front of restaurant, mother located and arrested; slam dunk case for neglect.. Again or so the thinking went.
Totally normal in Scandinavian countries. I see this all the time in Iceland, even in the winter. Just highlights how sad things are in the States - you have to worry about everyone being a murderer, a kidnapper, or a rapist. Worst that happens in Iceland is someone makes goofy faces at your baby and makes them cry.
Sparsely populated homogeneous communities are good like that. I bet a baby would be safe under those circumstances in Vermont as well.
It's typical for those getting booked into jail to be strip-searched.
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Originally Posted by Stonepa
Not where I come from.
How it typically works:
After you are taken into custody, you are handcuffed & police will do a “pat-down” prior to placing you in a squad car to be transported. This is done to ensure that you are not carrying weapons, drugs, needles or any other safety hazard into the car & jail.
When you arrive at the jail, the cop surrenders custody of you to the facility. You must remove belts, shoe laces, hair ties & any “layers” (vest, jacket) & proceed through a metal detector. At this time you are also advised as to your status, meaning what charges are you facing & how much, if any, bond can be paid to secure your release.
Most charges are “bondable”, even major felonies. What affects your status more so is if you qualify as a “flight risk”. ( I suspect this is why she had to remain in custody until the following Monday; as she was from another country).
You are then in “holding”, pending “processing”. While in holding, you will be fingerprinted & be assessed as to immediate health risks or suicidal ideation. Most jails are in a constant state of incomings, holdings, processing’s, bondings & releasings, so in a large metro area this will take anywhere from 2- 6, 8 + hours to complete.
Phone calls are permitted at this time, though usually only as “collect” calls, meaning you can’t call a cell phone. All Bail-bonds services have accounts with the correctional facilities & those calls can be put straight through. The detainee & the officers both prefer that the detainee be able to post bond ASAP, prior to the last step of the processing requirements. Those not bondable & those unable to post bond will spend hours waiting for this last phase:
Dressing out.
You will be transitioned to the inmate living area. You must disrobe & submit all articles into inmate belongings bags & are issued a “jumpsuit” or inmate uniform, to wear. This will be observed by same-gender deputies who will instruct you as how to turn, bend, spread & cough. Your hair & mouth will also be inspected. This is to prevent any “contraband” from entering the living area. At this stage, contraband = drugs. The introduction of drugs into a cell block is a huge safety concern for both officers & inmates. Concealing the drugs is motivated by the fact that if they are found in holding, you incur more charges & those are usually felony offenses.
After being Dressed out you are given a bedroll & escorted to the cellblocks.
So, no; not all who are arrested are strip-searched. But everyone who has been arrested without a bond being posted, is.
I should have clarified that it depends on the situation. My local jail has a metal detecting chair those newly booked sit in to see if they have weapons or anything else stashed you know where, and for women, too. The COs will look into their mouths for any razors or other items they may hide in there, but the metal detector is pretty sensitive and may even pick up metal anywhere in the body. In 1997, policies were looser in general, all over, and much different, and the NYPD even had an issue with male officers strip searching women when you are supposed to be strip searched by an officer of the same sex.
Strip searches are still necessary to ensure safety of all inmates and COs, along with other means.
Yeah, no sympathy from me. I never would have done it for certain anywhere.
Maybe the ratio of Pedophiles to upstanding citizens is much lower in Copenhagen?
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