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Old 09-16-2018, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Many threads deal with difficult children and parents wonder where they went wrong.

Other parents on CD point fingers and say that other parents did a poor job at raising their children.

I have been saying BS to poor parenting being the main cause of difficult children, and this study proves my point: that a child is BORN with their personality.

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Environment is everything; nurture (or lack of it) is the key. But not any more.

Now, one of the country’s top psychologists and behavioural geneticists, Professor Robert Plomin, of King’s College London, offers an emphatic conclusion.

It is drawn from 45 years of research and hundreds of studies. He says the single most important factor in each and every one of us — the very essence of our individuality — is our genetic make-up, our DNA.

The basic building blocks of life that we inherit from our parents are what determine who we are — not how much they loved us, read us books or which school they sent us to.
THIS IS A LONG READ, BUT INTERESTING AND WELL WORTH THE READ IMO: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...re_article-top

So? agree or disagree? I wholeheartedly agree!
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Old 09-16-2018, 11:15 PM
 
Location: New York NY
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Not so fast. While genetics are obviously an important determinant of personality, genes are not always the primary influence. The science of epigenetics is that genes - and thus genetic influences -- can be turned off or on by different environmental factors. Which means that genes can be determinative, but are not definitively so. There is also a lot of science behind epigenetics and it is a developing and very interesting field.


https://www.whatisepigenetics.com/what-is-epigenetics/
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Old 09-17-2018, 12:45 AM
 
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While a child’s character may be fixed at birth how that child is nurtured ,the environment and life circumstances can either make is better/worse.
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Old 09-17-2018, 07:40 AM
 
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Not so fast. While genetics are obviously an important determinant of personality, genes are not always the primary influence. The science of epigenetics is that genes - and thus genetic influences -- can be turned off or on by different environmental factors. Which means that genes can be determinative, but are not definitively so. There is also a lot of science behind epigenetics and it is a developing and very interesting field.


https://www.whatisepigenetics.com/what-is-epigenetics/
Yes, but that is messing with genes and although it is developing, is it a good idea?

For cancer, other diseases and other medical serious issues passed on from genes, yes, but then there will be people (scientists and doctors included) who want a "super" baby.
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Old 09-17-2018, 07:44 AM
 
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While a child’s character may be fixed at birth how that child is nurtured ,the environment and life circumstances can either make is better/worse.
Absolutely! You can't just ignore a child and expect it to turn out a wonderful adult.
You can't just assume they will do well in school, no matter what, if they are smart.
You can't just assume they will grow up to be good for nothing if no one nurtures and loves them.

In my first post, Quote: I have been saying BS to poor parenting being the main cause of difficult children
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Old 09-17-2018, 08:08 AM
 
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Absolutely! You can't just ignore a child and expect it to turn out a wonderful adult.
You can't just assume they will do well in school, no matter what, if they are smart.
You can't just assume they will grow up to be good for nothing if no one nurtures and loves them.

In my first post, Quote: I have been saying BS to poor parenting being the main cause of difficult children
Yes, blame the parents mantra is such a simplistic cop out. Children are not brought up in a vacuum,there are other major influences such as the culture they live in, school peers, other adults , exposure via tv, etc. then there are those who fall in with the wrong crowd or love interests, get addicted to drugs. It’s far more complex that just nature or nurture.
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Old 09-17-2018, 05:51 PM
 
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Many threads deal with difficult children and parents wonder where they went wrong.

Other parents on CD point fingers and say that other parents did a poor job at raising their children.

I have been saying BS to poor parenting being the main cause of difficult children, and this study proves my point: that a child is BORN with their personality.



THIS IS A LONG READ, BUT INTERESTING AND WELL WORTH THE READ IMO: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...re_article-top

So? agree or disagree? I wholeheartedly agree!
That's NOT what the study says. It does not talk about the child's personality, but about his or her intelligence.

It would help if you actually linked to the study, not to an article in the daily mall.

SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class journal research

You can download the study at the link above in pdf format. The study talks mostly about cognitive ability, not behaviors.

Here is the abstract:
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Children increasingly resemble their parents in cognitive abilities from infancy through adolescence Results obtained from a 20-year longitudinal adoption study of 245 adopted children and their biological and adoptive parents, as well as 245 matched nonadoptive (control) parents and offspring, show that this increasing resemblance is due to genetic factors Adopted children resemble their adoptive parents slightly in early childhood but not at all in middle childhood or adolescence In contrast, during childhood and adolescence, adopted children become more like their biological parents, and to the same degree as children and parents in control families Although these results were strongest for general cognitive ability and verbal ability similar results were found for other specific cognitive abilities—spatial ability, speed of processing, and recognition memory These findings indicate that within this population, genes that stably affect cognitive abilities in adulthood do not all come into play until adolescence and that environmental factors that contribute to cognitive development are not correlated with parents' cognitive ability
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Old 09-17-2018, 09:29 PM
 
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I've known enough women, each with multiple kids, from differing backgrounds to show that "average" malleable humans are generally subject to their circumstances (through little to no fault of their own, or the parents). Outliers are strictly governed by their neurological makeup ("wiring" if you will) regardless of circumstances.

Hood Rat Mom; 5 kids: 4 economically middling, 1 becomes a lawyer with his own practice. He is an Exceptional outlier. Nothing would stop him from being productive.

Rich Chick Mom; 4 kids: 3 economically blessed, 1 becomes a slacker junkie always asking for 5 bucks. He is an Abhorrent outlier. Nothing will get that fool up off the couch.

I propose, that we gotta have better controls for Abhorrsnt outliers like Nikolas Cruz, or David Katz. 'Cuz some people like that just ain't "wired" correctly and, it's real obvious to anyone that spends even 5 ssconds around them.
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