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Old 01-22-2019, 06:08 AM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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angeleyes said:

"I just feel like a bad mom when I get angry with her and lose my cool."

You are the adult here, lady. Do not lose your cool. It is entertainment for a 2 year old.

(See Post 24 above.)

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Old 01-22-2019, 08:29 AM
 
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Your child is not suffering from missing her bio-mom. At 10 months, she doesn't remember her at all now, so don't worry about that. You're the mom now, and you're all she knows.

Some kids start their terrible two's late. For us, our daughter was a really good two year old, right until she was almost 3... Age 3 was much worse. She started to assert herself and didn't like to be told what to do.

There's several parenting tools in the toolbox, but I'd say the most important thing is that you can't lose your cool. Even when disciplining her, you should try to do so in a calm but firm way. (And I know this is easier said than done, my daughter is 5 now, and she can still get a rise out of us from time to time.)

Bribing a child to do what you want can work, but you need to hold firm when you do it. Our daughter for example, doesn't like to eat. But of course, she loves chocolate. So we tell her if she wants a Hershey kiss, she needs to eat all her dinner, etc. We try to avoid physical punishment at her age now, but at age 3, she got spanked when she refused to behave. At that age, you can't always reason with them, you just can't. As they get older, different methods of punishment work, like taking away a favorite toy, then later progressing to time-out, etc.

Hang in there, 3 was the worst year for our daughter in terms of behavior. Part of it is because they have not developed the skills or language yet to always be able to express themselves and what they want. By 4, they are a lot better at that, and even better at 5. That's not to say they won't still have meltdowns, they do, but it does get better. Everyone mentions the terrible two's, but from most parents I know, it was age 3 that was worse.

Good luck.
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:52 AM
 
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He talked to me about trying time outs with her, but also told me ignoring her when she has a tantrum and walking away will not only train her but give me a break as well.

I just feel like a bad mom when I get angry with her and lose my cool. I don't want to constantly yell or nag at my children I went through that and it was hard.
When does she misbehavior? Is it late morning or afternoon? Is she worse after preschool? At her age, my daughter needed a nap, more so than when she was a baby. She may be overtired.

Time outs work. I used to tell my daughter, "you're acting badly so I am angry. I am going to give myself a time out." I placed my daughter in her bed and close the door. I could clean up, read a book or enjoy a cup of tea. Coming back 15 minutes later, made all the difference.

The kitten is a problem. It may indicate what she'll do to the baby. Remove the kitten the minute she hits it and you take a time out with the kitten. Reinforce by taking treats away. Reward when she is good.

My daughter loved the sticker books made by Dover Publishing. If she had a good week, she got a book on Friday. She really worked for it! Sticker Picture Books | Sticker Pictures
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Old 01-22-2019, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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Usually, when I see a parent of a young child say they've tried it all, a tiny red flag starts waving. Trying too many things usually doesn't work because there is no consistency.
My wife is a special-ed preschool teacher, or at least was at her last job. She said that she often does things the parents can't with the kids because its much easier for her to be consistent. Some of its personality and some parents are better at being consistent than others, but some of its that she gets a break from the kids that the parents don't. They (the kids) don't have the same opportunity to wear her down that they do the parents.

She said that for those that are most likely to either cave, or lose their ish, its best to "ignore" and not dwell on what they do wrong. Kid messed ith their diaper? Tell them they need to clean their hands off right now, if they don't, do it promptly for them, change diaper, deep breaths, move on.

Also, she says for potty training if you use a pullup, but underwear underneath it. A pullup is an inconvenient diaper but many kids dislike the sensation of messed underwear.
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Old 01-22-2019, 01:47 PM
 
Location: The point of no return, er, NorCal
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Yes, she may struggle from the separation from her biomom, but that should not be causing the tantrums you see. You are correct that it is the *terrible twos* behavior in general.

Potty training often regresses once the new baby is born, btw. Punishing her for this is not going to be helpful.

You haven't tried it all, btw. You need to catch her being good and reward that rather than punishing in the moment.

Here is a long post about positive parenting. It was created by a large group of parents who were interested in parenting.

Please think in terms of positive discipline instead of punishment.
You may want to read "How to Talk So Kids Will Listen and Listen So Kids Will Talk" by Adele Faber and Elaine Mazlish.
Another good book is "How to Behave So Your Preschooler Will, Too" by Sal Severe.
Another one is "Playful Parenting" by Lawrence J. Cohen

Positive Parenting and Teaching

The idea of these methods is to be proactive and not reactive, to empower the child to control his own behavior rather than to control his behavior yourself, to see the child's individual needs and abilities rather than to use some general techniques to adapt these things to particular situations using the basic principle of respect for the child's feelings and human rights.

Part of this is simply a change in the way you speak to your child and in the attitude that you show toward him when you *really* look at him and listen to him carefully.

Mostly, this boils down to LISTEN to your child and RESPECT her unique needs and feelings.

First, model the behavior you want your child to emulate. Children learn what they live. Teach by example, not words. If you want your child to eat his vegetables, eat them yourself and don’t keep the food you wish him to avoid in the house for yourself and others in the family. When you do use words, encourage him with specifics when he does something good. I see you ate all your broccoli is better than you are a good eater or you are a good boy. General praise is not as effective as simply noticing what he did.

Second, always try to look for the underlying cause of the behavior and address that so that the need is actually met in acceptable ways. Assume your child is *good* even when her behavior doesn't meet your standards. Accept her feelings and show that you understand. Allow her to talk about them. Listen to her and respect her feelings and she will learn to respect the feelings of others.

Third, state your rules and requests in positive ways, not negative ones - Please walk is always more effective than don't run. Have the least number of rules possible. Don't micromanage your child's life. Make your point with humor. It helps to make some things that must be done a silly game instead of being serious. "Can you pick up the toys with your feet?" might be a way to get a child to have fun cleaning up. Remember the Whistle While You Work philosophy. Do things together instead of having her work alone. Rules should apply to all members of the household and should be for safety and for the sake of kindness to one another. Keep the number of "nos" to a minimum.

Fourth, explain on the child's level exactly what you want done again in positive terms - state what he can do, not what he can't do. Get down on the child's level and look at him when you explain. You may want to touch his arm to get his attention or to create a nonverbal signal that works to calm him down.

Fifth, redirect a child who is doing something that you dislike to something he *can* do now instead of what he is doing. Give the child choices between many things that are acceptable to you and she won't have to find something that is unacceptable so that she can have control. Whenever possible, let the child decide on what he should do even if the choice she makes is different from what you think is the *best* one. Children learn from making choices.

Sixth, give your child warnings of transitions so that they become easier to manage. Children need time to *finish* what they are doing. Persistence in doing a task is a virtue and should be encouraged. So try to allow them to finish what they start even when it is *just* a game.

Seventh, allow for down time when your emotions or the child's are out of control. This is not isolation, but it is a way to get anger under control. It is used non-punitively to allow both the adult and child to regain control of their emotions. Let the child control the amount of time she tays in a *time-out* like this. . Give her the control and she may put himself in *time-out* when she feels she needs it without your having to initiate this at all. Use it yourself too if your own emotions fly out of control. It's a great way to calm *yourself* down. Teach her to count to 10, to think before she reacts, by using these techniques yourself. Use breathing to breathe out the anger too.

(Sidebar on teaching breathing here: When your child is calm teach him how to breathe out his anger. There are breathing games that you can play that work really well with toddlers and preschoolers and after you teach him how, you can remind him to breathe when he begins to tantrum.

These are breathing exercises we used with preschool classes:

Ballooning

When you balloon, you breathe in (deeply) and as you breath in you start with your arms at your sides and raise them up parallell to your shoulders and up over your head. Then you blow it all out, make it exaggerated like a balloon spewing out all the air. The kids really like it and it really lowers tension.

Draining

When you drain, you put both hands out in front of you, you twist (and twist, and twist and twist) your hands around like you were turning off water and you *********r face all up, then you blow the air out through your lips (I know... there will be a little spit!) but the kids really like that one and you can feel the stress and tension leaving your own body! (automatic stress relief!)

You can get the balloon and draining icons from:
http://www.beckybailey.com/documents/Icons.pdf

Eighth, say what you mean and mean what you say. Don't give a lot of warnings, give one and then act.

Ninth, plan for situations before they arise. Try to have some idea of what you will do so that you can stay calm and not react in anger. When you do need to change the child's behavior do so calmly and quickly. Pick up a young child and remove him from the situation or redirect him to some positive activity without yelling and without anger. Talk in a reasonable and normal tone of voice. Convey the message of love with your voice and your body.

Tenth, as your child grows, try to involve him in planning the rules that are necessary. Let him make some of the decisions within reasonable guidelines so that he begins to trust his own feelings about what is right and what is wrong. You can use role-playing and dramatic play to help your child figure out what he can do when situations come up that are difficult for him. Always involve him in solving the problem. Let him brainstorm different things he can do and then let him choose from the acceptable alternatives he comes up with.

Eleventh, make amends when you make a mistake. Apologize to your child when you have made a mistake. Accept his apologies gracefully as well. Encourage children to show they're sorry by taking responsibility for any harm they caused. They can get ice, look at the wound, say they're sorry, or do nothing-and live with whatever self-imposed guilt they might have. Don't force children to apologize. 'Sorry' is a word people can say insincerely to erase their responsibility and guilt.

Twelfth, give your child responsibility for real tasks that help make your family work. Chores help your child to feel she is a real part of
helping things run smoothly. Work out what chores she should do with her keeping them appropriate to her age and abilities, but allowing her to stretch. Don’t criticize her performance, let her improve gradually and be totally responsible for the chore. Don’t redo her work. Don’t tie chores to allowance in general. Allowances are better used to teach her to handle her own money responsibly. Extra money or rewards when she goes above and beyond the call of duty may be all right, but the idea of chores is to be responsible for helping your family work. Allowances (if you give them) should be something children get and are allowed to use in any way they wish although as they grow, they might be given responsibility to budget and pay for some things like their bus fare or school lunches. Still it should always be enough to cover the expenses and also to allow them their own spending money as well.

Children should experience the *natural consequences* of their actions, since that is how they learn. But making up logical consequences to substitute for natural ones often becomes a problem.

Cline and Fay (logical consequences parenting books) are worthwhile to read
http://www.loveandlogic.com/

This site has even better ideas. http://www.naturalchild.org/
or these http://www.empathicparenting.org/
http://www.flyingboy.com/relationships-parenting.htm
or this one for teachers http://www.marvinmarshall.com/

Some good resource books are:
How To Talk So Kids Will Listen And Listen So Kids Will Talk by Adele Faber and Elaine Mazlish. (already mentioned above)

By the same authors:
How to Talk So Kids Will Learn
Liberated Parents, Liberated Children.
Siblings Without Rivalry.
How to Talk So Kids Will Learn
Yes to all of this. Well said.
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Old 01-22-2019, 03:00 PM
 
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First, the terrible times for kids typically happen at the 1/2 year age: 18 months, 2.5 years, etc. because that is how most kids develop.

One of the first things I remember reading when my daughter was a baby/toddler, is that kids in daycare will often "save up" their worst behavior for Mom and Dad, when they get home. They kind of hold it all together all day and once they get to the comfortable, safe space of home and their parent(s) they let it all out. I noticed this in my kids even as they got older. They were great in school, but would get home and argue with each other and me. Try to remember she's just showing you and dad that she's comfortable with you and it's been a long day.

A couple of things that worked when mine were little ones:
Get down on their level. It might be tough since you're pregnant, but kneel down so you're looking directly into her face and her eyes when you tell her know.
Ask/tell the child to look at your face/eyes so you know they are paying attention. Whenever I told my kids to "Look at my face" they knew Mom meant business.
Don't just say, "No." Give a short, simple explanation as to why the behavior is wrong. e.g. "No, we don't hit the kitten because it can hurt him." This is a life long parenting thing--not just for little ones btw,
Make a simple song or rhyme about the behavior and the consequences. My daughter went through a hitting stage. Whenever I caught this, I simply said, "When you hit, you sit." This meant she had to sit on the steps away from us for a brief timeout. I set a timer she could hear it. When it was time for her to get up, I reminded her about why hitting was wrong.
Keep time outs to 1 minute per year of age.
You can also make up little songs about good behavior or that you sing when you do. Definitely catch her being good and reinforce that with positive words and sometimes treats.

BTW--spanking teaches kids that the bigger person wins and that using physical force/harm is an acceptable way to control people.
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Old 01-22-2019, 04:31 PM
 
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Yes to all of this. Well said.
Thanks. It is a usenet and babycenter production from parents on the community boards. It's from quite a long time ago as I haven't been back on usenet for a while.
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Old 01-22-2019, 05:18 PM
 
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Traumatic experiences can actually change the physical structure and function of the developing brain, resulting in long-lasting effects even if the child does not consciously remember what happened. Please don't dismiss the possibility that your daughter could be experiencing the effects of abandonment by her mother.

I notice that when you say you have tried "everything", you list off three negative and one positive strategies. Focus on praise, encouragement, and rewards. Try to have ~10 positive interactions for every 1 negative. Help her get through non-preferred tasks by using first-then language. "First put on shoes, then go to park!". There won't always be such a straightforward "then" for her to look forward to, but make something up. Give her a sticker or sing a favorite song with her or something. Also, redirect undesirable behaviors to what you want to see. For example, if she's being rough with a book and tearing the pages, say "Gentle! Let's turn the page together!" not "No! Don't rip the book!". You come across as someone who loves her child and wants to do right by her, but lacks strategies for managing things in the moment. I suggest that you look into parenting classes in your area - one on positive discipline could be very helpful.
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Old 01-22-2019, 05:28 PM
 
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I think it's just normal 2-3 year old stuff. Yes, terrible 2s can last for 2 years. Kids in daycare will often be bratty at home after being good all day. They know you will love them no matter what. Back off on the potty training. She will use the potty when she is ready.

My youngest was oppositional like that and she turned out to have ADD. She is still the most stubborn person on the planet.
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:28 PM
 
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You've gotten some great advice, but I want to add to the "it's normal" camp.

My brother and SIL are dealing with this right now with their daughter who is the same age as yours - May birthday and all! They're expecting a second child in June and it's turned my niece's behavior on its head.

She's always been on the bossy side. We think a lot of that is because my SIL taught her more than 100 signs before she could even speak, which helped her learn to assert her wants and needs before most kids can communicate. The other side of that is that she has been remarkably well-behaved and even-keeled. When you think about it, it's really hard to be 2 1/2 when you have all these feelings but limited means of expressing them!

Now that a baby is on the way, my niece has regressed on her potty training, has started acting out, and does things just to get a reaction. Everyone's a little preoccupied with the baby and so big sib is just showing you that she's there, too!

Certainly keep an eye on her to see if her behavior worsens in concerning ways, but this all sounds like a normal toddler responding to a shift in her environment.
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