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Old 11-16-2019, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Originally Posted by newtovenice View Post
Because the vaccine schedule is out of control and growing every year. And because of the school mandate and lack of choice, parents feel the medical decisions for their own children are now mandatory. That they don't have a choice.

There are also 1500 ongoing clinical trials for VACCINES right now. More, more, more .... there is no END to the number of vaccines that can be produced and mandated.

That's why there is a debate. Now.

Here's just one breakdown of how they get up to 72-76 doses of vaccines by the time they are 18. This gets confused because some shots are combined doses. That doesn't mean "fewer vaccines." It just means they are getting them in a combined shot. It's used to "lower" the number of vaccines to make it look like kids aren't getting that many.

13 types of vaccine shots, including:
5 doses of DTaP
4 doses of IPV (polio)
3 or 4 doses of hepatitis B
3 or 4 doses of Hib (the number of doses depends on the vaccine brand used)
4 doses of Prevnar,
2 or 3 doses of rotavirus (the number of doses depends on the vaccine brand used)
2 doses of MMR
2 doses of Varivax (chicken pox)
2 doses of hepatitis A
1 doses of Tdap
2 or 3 doses of HPV (the number of doses depends on the age you start the vaccine series)
2 doses of MCV4 (meningococcal vaccine)
yearly influenza vaccines

these cover 16 diseases, including diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, measles, mumps, rubella, polio, chicken pox, pneumococcal disease, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, meningococcal disease, HPV, rotavirus, Hib, and flu

about 28 doses of those vaccines by age two years (with yearly flu shots)

about 35 doses of those vaccines by age five years (with yearly flu shots). This could look like 23 individual shots by age five years if your child is getting combination vaccines, like Pediarix or Pentacel and Kinrix or Quadracel and Proquad
Why is being able to prevent more serious infections a Bad Thing?

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Originally Posted by newtovenice View Post
Your question .... Do you even remember it? Was that it's 2019 so why is there pushback? Paraphrased of course.

My responses stands. Read it again if you didn't understand it the first time.

There is NO END in sight for the number of vaccines that children and adults will be getting. Since this medical treatment is punishable by coercion via the govt, there is no telling what the future will bring.

1500+ vacccine trials are ongoing right NOW. And vaccine makers cannot be sued directly. They hold no liability for any harm (cue a 10,000 word post by one of the resident pro forced mandatory vaccine pushers that this is untrue. It's true.). A person cannot file a lawsuit against a vaccine manufacturer in open court as a first move. It' s perfect business, which is why it's so popular. It's a billion dollar business.

How many vaccines is enough 5? 10? 15? 20? 25? 30? 35? 100?

When will it end?
Vaccine makers hold no liability for adverse reactions that are not due to a defect in the vaccine.

Should peanut growers be liable for a serious allergic reaction to peanuts?

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Originally Posted by newtovenice View Post
Why don't you post stats that don't come from third world countries where sanitation, hygiene, nutrition, antibiotics, shelter and clean water aren't an issue?

Or do you think that WHO stats, based on third world countries, are reflective of the how people in the US live? Water with feces, lack of food, no shelter, no antibiotics, etc?
Stop vaccinating and vaccine preventable disease come roaring back, like measles in Europe after Wakefield's greedy, fraudulent "study".

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Originally Posted by newtovenice View Post
Everything she says is true.

It has already been determined that vaccines never cause any harm to anyone ever.

What type of data gets collected when the outcome has been predetermined?

What types of treatment protocol/guidelines are developed when it's been determined that there is no possibility of harm? Do you know of ANY drug that has been said: this will NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER harm you?

No. Only "vaccines" of which there are many shots, many diseases, many formulations, and many combinations by many manufacturers. But somehow ALL of them are 1,000% safe for EVERYONE. Absolutely no questions allowed about that. Does that make logical sense? No. It doesn't.

It's no longer science. It's marketing, politics, and profit at the expense of knowledge, health, and freedom.
How did the first rotavirus vaccine come to be removed from the market?

Why does the vaccine compensation fund exist?

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Originally Posted by Debsi View Post
This happened to me at 11 months and 6 years old, but the doctor called it Shingles the second time.
Chickenpox generally causes a generalized rash; shingles is usually confined to the distribution of one or a couple of nearby nerves. They look different.

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Originally Posted by coschristi View Post
SIDS is the most common death reported after vaccines to VAERS. 79% of those SIDS deaths occurred within 24 hours of immunization. Just like my daughter.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubme...sQYBGhAgkegYWU

Read all the way to the conclusion. They are 'unconcerned'.

This is a national tragedy.
How many SIDS deaths had no relation to a vaccination?

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Originally Posted by newtovenice View Post
Find a medical doctor who will go on record and say without fear: Vaccines did XYZ to this child.
NEVER. GONNA. HAPPEN.

That's the reality. Know another "wonder drug" that NEVER has any severe side effects ever to anyone at any age or dose or booster or illness or manufacturer or combination?

Yeah, Me neither. /faceplant/
How did the first rotavirus vaccine come to be removed from the market?

Why does the vaccine compensation fund exist?

 
Old 11-16-2019, 04:55 PM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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Anecdotal mentions of individual localized legal difficulties do not indict an entire realm of medicine. Conspiracy theories detract from whatever argument is properly being made.
You asked what 'antivaxxers' were willing to consider as far as vaccines.

I was explaining why you would be hard pressed to find any who would consider ever vaccinating with any vaccine; ever again.

I'm trying to help you understand because I am a very rare & stupid bird. Most people only have to bury one child to have learned their lesson.

Fool me once; shame on you. Fool me twice; shame on me. Right?

Well, I was severely traumatized after my daughters death & as an RN; I blamed MYSELF for her death as I was unable to resuscitate her. This was not a sane thought & I know this now. She was too far gone when I found her but ... when her grandma said, just hours after her death; 'Christine, didn't they just get their (she was a twin) shots yesterday?' ... I freaked out. I was also very provaccine at the time & 'blaming' her death on vaccines challenged my narrative that this was all my fault.

So I blocked it out. Refused to consider it.

And 10 years later my youngest son suffered Encephalopathy after a vaccine & regressed into severe autism within 6 months. I now have a severely & permanently disabled child who will need 1:1 care for the rest of his life.

So if you want to know what the spectrum of thoughts are in the mind of an antivaxxer? You have found the right person but if you want to change the mind of an antivaxxer; I'm afraid you won't get far with me. I'm a fool, obviously; just not THAT much of a fool, lol.

Anecdotal evidence plays a very big role in science. When the anecdotal continues to defy the epidemiology; it is SUPPOSED to suggest the epidemiology is biased. Not a conspiracy theory.

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Originally Posted by Withinpines View Post
Thank you. This was my experience. Drs took the opportunity to then make $ off of me (and my insurance) by searching for a "reason", "diagnosis" for my sudden symptoms; ordering numerous tests, labs etc. While they knew EXACTLY what had brought on these symptoms...I then found online this specific vaccine had also caused other people similar symptoms. We received this vaccine during the same time period...
Exactly. See? That didn't take long.
 
Old 11-16-2019, 05:04 PM
 
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Originally Posted by newtovenice View Post
Find a medical doctor who will go on record and say without fear: Vaccines did XYZ to this child.
NEVER. GONNA. HAPPEN.

That's the reality. Know another "wonder drug" that NEVER has any severe side effects ever to anyone at any age or dose or booster or illness or manufacturer or combination?

Yeah, Me neither. /faceplant/
Thank you. This thread is not about pets, but vaccines also harm animals, esp mandated vaccines. I "naturally rear" my animals because I've witnessed them seize after receiving vaccines, develop various cancers etc.. My point here is vaccines ARE dangerous. They can harm pets, they can harm us.....
 
Old 11-16-2019, 05:16 PM
 
Location: North Dakota
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Originally Posted by newtovenice View Post
Your question .... Do you even remember it? Was that it's 2019 so why is there pushback? Paraphrased of course.

My responses stands. Read it again if you didn't understand it the first time.

There is NO END in sight for the number of vaccines that children and adults will be getting. Since this medical treatment is punishable by coercion via the govt, there is no telling what the future will bring.

1500+ vacccine trials are ongoing right NOW. And vaccine makers cannot be sued directly. They hold no liability for any harm (cue a 10,000 word post by one of the resident pro forced mandatory vaccine pushers that this is untrue. It's true.). A person cannot file a lawsuit against a vaccine manufacturer in open court as a first move. It' s perfect business, which is why it's so popular. It's a billion dollar business.

How many vaccines is enough 5? 10? 15? 20? 25? 30? 35? 100?

When will it end?
Holy ****. You need to put your tinfoil hate back on and get off the computer. The gubmint is going to find you.
 
Old 11-16-2019, 05:27 PM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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Originally Posted by suzy_q2010 View Post
How many SIDS deaths had no relation to a vaccination?
lol; that's what I want to know. This was a study of death after vaccination. The other deaths were attributed to asphyxia, septicemia, and pneumonia.


how many SIDS deaths within 24 hours of vaccination are never reported to VAERS?
 
Old 11-16-2019, 05:30 PM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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Believe the mothers.

//www.city-data.com/forum/membe...ms-we-did.html all 3 pages. Represents about three weeks worth of death from vaccines.
 
Old 11-16-2019, 05:32 PM
 
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My son's brain swelled after receiving vaccines. NEVER AGAIN. Be leary, be aware, become educated about vaccines.

Last edited by Withinpines; 11-16-2019 at 05:41 PM..
 
Old 11-16-2019, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Originally Posted by coschristi View Post
lol; that's what I want to know. This was a study of death after vaccination. The other deaths were attributed to asphyxia, septicemia, and pneumonia.


how many SIDS deaths within 24 hours of vaccination are never reported to VAERS?
That is why VAERS reports cannot determine causation.
 
Old 11-16-2019, 06:21 PM
 
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Originally Posted by NDak15 View Post
Holy ****. You need to put your tinfoil hate back on and get off the computer. The gubmint is going to find you.
No need for cursing. Join reality. No tin foil hat needed. How many vaccines is enough? Do you have an answer? Or just pathetic cursing and insults instead of any contribution to the discussion?
 
Old 11-16-2019, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Originally Posted by newtovenice View Post
No need for cursing. Join reality. No tin foil hat needed. How many vaccines is enough? Do you have an answer? Or just pathetic cursing and insults instead of any contribution to the discussion?
Why is being able to prevent more infections that cause misery and can cause permanent disability and death a Bad Thing?
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