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Old 11-17-2019, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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The group (PEACH) who was said to have created the handout was a group of Jewish mothers. Without seeing the pamphlet, I have no idea if it’s propaganda or not.
There is a clear description of the contents of the pamphlet in the link I gave, and it is Jewish nurses who are countering the misinformation in it.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/as-to...-her-community

 
Old 11-17-2019, 05:57 PM
 
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There is a clear description of the contents of the pamphlet in the link I gave, and it is Jewish nurses who are countering the misinformation in it.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/as-to...-her-community
I found the actual pamphlet. It was put out by Jewish moms according to several sources.
https://issuu.com/peachmoms/docs/the...ty_handbook_a4

Even if you don’t like the pamphlet, you can’t really censor them for sharing their beliefs.
 
Old 11-17-2019, 06:15 PM
 
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I found the actual pamphlet. It was put out by Jewish moms according to several sources.
https://issuu.com/peachmoms/docs/the...ty_handbook_a4

Even if you don’t like the pamphlet, you can’t really censor them for sharing their beliefs.
Since the pamphlet is factually incorrect I certainly can.
 
Old 11-17-2019, 06:28 PM
 
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Since the pamphlet is factually incorrect I certainly can.
What would you propose? Arresting people for sharing their views via a pamphlet? Are you anti-free speech?
 
Old 11-17-2019, 07:06 PM
 
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What would you propose? Arresting people for sharing their views via a pamphlet? Are you anti-free speech?
I am anti-dissemination of pseudoscientific nonsense.

That sort of antivax woo is why the WHO has listed anti-vaccinationism as one of the top ten threats to global health for 2019.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/ten-...health-in-2019
 
Old 11-17-2019, 07:15 PM
 
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I am anti-dissemination of pseudoscientific nonsense.

That sort of antivax woo is why the WHO has listed anti-vaccinationism as one of the top ten threats to global health for 2019.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/ten-...health-in-2019
Again, what do you think should be done about it? Jail?
 
Old 11-17-2019, 07:20 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I found the actual pamphlet. It was put out by Jewish moms according to several sources.
https://issuu.com/peachmoms/docs/the...ty_handbook_a4

Even if you don’t like the pamphlet, you can’t really censor them for sharing their beliefs.
I can't open it without installing some new program, so I'm going to pass. I'm sure it's the same old drivel I've read a million times before, anyway. I did look at Suzy's link. I was impressed with the Orthodox Jewish Nurses Association. That's what the Somalis did in MN too, they got Somali health care providers to talk to people in their own cultural manner about why they should vaccinate.

You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater.
 
Old 11-17-2019, 08:23 PM
 
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Again, what do you think should be done about it? Jail?
You send in qualified health professionals to talk to people about why the pamphlet is wrong. That is what was done in Brooklyn.

It would help if people would stop claiming all over the internet that evil vaccines cause conditions that they do not.
 
Old 11-18-2019, 12:55 AM
 
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That's pretty much what the Tobacco Industry said regarding the research that was signaling risk from smoking. To refute it with 'science-based' evidence; they formed the Tobacco Research Institute with research facilities all over the world & developed their own method of epidemiology , designed to mitigate risk; that is now used in vaccine risk studies.

My life experience is not 'unsupported evidence', any more than the hundreds of thousands of lung cancer deaths of smokers was 'unsupported evidence'. Thanks to flawed epidemiology; two decades of smoking-related mortality continued unchecked; until the Surgeon Generals report in 1964, which was largely the product of underground whistle blowers who provided corporate documents.

My legal argument is very well supported. Epidemiology is admissable evidence but not for causation.



The desired outcome for the epidemiology of vaccine risk is for there to not be a statistically significant risk. Using Big Tobacco epidemiology; this is easily done. The etiology of most of the adverse events claimed to be caused by vaccines; continues to point to the vaccines. Since it assumes the hypothesis that vaccines are safe is untrue; that becomes the null hypothesis.

The only way for the epidemiology that vaccines are safe to be considered 'proved'; is for vaccines to be found as safe. Has anyone ever proved that vaccines are safe?

Actually; no. In fact,


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK216813/#ddd00076

So the null hypothesis has not been found to be untrue. Therefore; the hypothesis that vaccines are safe; including all that crap epidemiology; has not been proven.

Vaccinate away to your hearts content. Consider yourself 'immune' from VPD's & leave my child's exemptions alone, because all you have is a yet-to-be-proved hypothesis & I already KNOW that vaccines can kill & injure my children.
One unproven hypothesis is as good as another unproven hypothesis. Research supported conclusions are far different. I suspect you know this but are unwilling or unable (perhaps rightfully) to acknowledge this.
 
Old 11-18-2019, 02:51 AM
 
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I can't open it without installing some new program, so I'm going to pass. I'm sure it's the same old drivel I've read a million times before, anyway. I did look at Suzy's link. I was impressed with the Orthodox Jewish Nurses Association. That's what the Somalis did in MN too, they got Somali health care providers to talk to people in their own cultural manner about why they should vaccinate.

You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater.
Pittsburgh Jewish Chronicle tried to get in touch with this "purported Jewish organization" and were unsuccessful. https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrae...dox-community/
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