U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Covid-19 Information Page
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Parenting
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Closed Thread Start New Thread
 
Old 03-30-2020, 09:54 AM
 
1,517 posts, read 566,154 times
Reputation: 2964

Advertisements

Are they Mormons?

Until just over a century ago, at least in the US (don't know about the UK), raising very large families of sometimes up to a dozen was not unheard of because of the survival instinct, and medical technology not being what it is today, making it necessary. The dollar was also much stronger then so it was more feasible.

These people also run a business so a weak (post-Brexit) pound must not be an issue for them.

 
Old 03-30-2020, 09:57 AM
 
2,357 posts, read 2,082,529 times
Reputation: 6399
She needs to take up cold showers.
 
Old 03-30-2020, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Midwest
4,824 posts, read 7,597,617 times
Reputation: 8794
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
It doesn't have to be that yooj when you live in a 1st World country following (for now) EU guidelines for a somewhat more equitable distribution of the National Treasure than is common in the U.S.
Thank God we're not EU-bots. And BTW I love handguns and despise the EU.

These people DECIDED to have zillions of kids. Why on earth should the "community" be responsible for paying their bills?

Answer: They shouldn't be. Simple.
 
Old 03-30-2020, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
22,986 posts, read 23,533,815 times
Reputation: 11242
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ttark View Post
Are they Mormons?
What the...? I'm a lifelong Mormon. I've lived in Sat Lake City my entire life (71 years). I know literally thousands of Mormon families. Many Mormons do tend to have larger families, like maybe 6 or 7 kids, though most these days are having maybe 4. But 22 kids? Tell me you were just being flippant and not truly that ignorant.
 
Old 03-30-2020, 10:41 AM
 
Location: NJ
13,197 posts, read 22,926,928 times
Reputation: 12176
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ttark View Post
Are they Mormons?

Until just over a century ago, at least in the US (don't know about the UK), raising very large families of sometimes up to a dozen was not unheard of because of the survival instinct, and medical technology not being what it is today, making it necessary. The dollar was also much stronger then so it was more feasible.

These people also run a business so a weak (post-Brexit) pound must not be an issue for them.
It sounds like his pie business does well but they still get $225 a week in child benefits from the government, which is $1,000 a month
 
Old 03-30-2020, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Tucson Arizona
4,813 posts, read 2,174,978 times
Reputation: 12659
Quote:
Originally Posted by sheena12 View Post
PARENTS should parent children - NOT older siblings.

This is selfish, attention seeking behavior, What are they trying to prove? They can not have the best interest"s of their children as a priority.

There is nothing wrong with a large family, however; keeping the family in single digits, seems reasonable. Five is a large family, Eight is a large family. Twenty
his madness, It's a small orphanage or group home rather than a family.

I also think that TLC, is irresponsible by airing these programs and making celebrities out of these people. They are mostly members of far right religious groups, who seek to turn the United States into a "Christian Nation"

The Founding Fathers were clear in their vision of the US as a secular country,

I feel certain that these kiddos are having their childhood's stolen from them by being forced to be parents, not children.

STOP WATCHING these people on TV and stop making them rich. Maybe this kind of programs vanish into obscurity.
They aren't in the U.S. and aren't on t.v.
 
Old 03-30-2020, 01:28 PM
 
7,112 posts, read 5,086,230 times
Reputation: 2321
Quote:
Originally Posted by NDak15 View Post
What fantasy world do you live in if you think the world isn't overpopulated? Tell me without quoting Scripture.

Calm Down and learn a little! It's ok!




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA5BM7CE5-8
 
Old 03-30-2020, 01:40 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
19,728 posts, read 24,852,415 times
Reputation: 52479
Quote:
Originally Posted by City Guy997S View Post
I had a neighbor with 5 kids.....the older kids were surrogate parents to the younger kids. When it go sad, the parents were too busy to attend the youngest kids school plays/events.........they already did that boring stuff with the oldest kids. Parents should have had less kids, supported those kids more rather than spread their time thinner with the larger group.

My father's family: 6 sons! Only one son got married for more than a month, that one son was the only one of the 6 to ever have children. Decades later those 4 grandchildren produced 10 great grandchildren. So big families don't always produce tons of offspring.
I personally do not think five children is unreasonable, and I have known people to parent their own children, not to foist it off on older children; who have 4 - 8 children.

They planned their families and it was not part of a religious movement, specifically, "The Quiver Full Movement", which also asserts Christian Dominionism - the idea that Christians of their ilk, Christian Fundamentalists, specifically, should take charge of this country - the US - and dominate politically, socially and of course, religiously, subjugating others who do not share their beliefs.

The important factor is that the family is planned and the needs of the children are met.

Living "barracks style" with closely spaced bunk beds, ridged schedules, isolation from other children besides a select few, wearing bizarre attire - e,g. The Duggars, such as voluminous bathing suits on girls, is symptomatic of a CULT - not a FAMILY.

When a family decides to have children beyond 9, and certain other features are present - home school, social isolation, home church, cramped sleeping quarters, a lack of individualism among the children, lack of participation in non religious clubs, sports or activities, ritualized and excessive corporal punishment, lack of meaningful contact with people who do not share their world view, lack of medical care, I think that investigation by social services is NOT out of order.

I am NOT a fan of "Home School". I am on record on this forum in this regard. There are few situations where I think "Home Schooling" is a reasonable choice. When it IS employed, children who are "home schooled" should have the same services and professional, outside over-sight, as children as children who attend school outside of the home.

Adults can join whatever type of religious group they want, including cults. Once a child or children enter the picture, that all changes.

This is the RIGHT of the CHILD. Infants under the age of 18 in ALL civilized industrialized nations, should ideally, have these rights -

1. The Right to reasonable health care by a credentialed, professional, health care provider. (physician,physician's assistant, osteopath (D.O) or nurse practitioner.

2, The right to dental care administered by a dental professional.

3. The right to an education. This education should be provided by, or ultimately monitored by, an educational professional, a school teacher, who possesses a four year college degree, and the endorsement of their state. The day to day teaching can be done by a para-professional or teaching assistant, (parent) who is certified as a teaching para professional. Children educated at home should be able to pass state competency tests. They should learn usual subjects - 1. Arithmetic, Mathematics, 2. English / language arts, 3. History, Social Studies, 4. Science, from a secular scientific prospective (even if they are taught that their church disagrees with it, they should know what children who are educated outside home know and be able to take a test to that effect) appropriate to their grade level. 5. Creative Arts, painting, drawing, crafts, movement/dance and music. 6 Physical education including sports for pleasure.

School should NOT be limited to 1. Bible, 2, Religious Studies 3. Child care (taught by taking of the responsibilities of the parents, or farm work, automotive care, animal care, gardening, cooking and sewing. I am in no way saying that any of these are foolish endeavors, but they are not a substitute for academics.

Home Economics and Industrial Arts are, in many states and school districts taught in middle school, junior HS or early HS to both boys and girls.

Many states offer vocational education to high school students - however, they must still learn academic subjects.

I am most familiar with my home state of NY, which provides vocational education free of charge (paid by taxes) to students interested in graduating high school with a trade or career. I think that NY State has an excellent program of technical/vocational education that is referred to as "BOCES" an acronym for "Board Of Cooperative Educational Services".

Typically, during 10th - 12th grade, students take academic subjects in the morning. After lunch, they are usually bussed to another location, where they study their chosen trade.
Since New York is a very large and diverse state, with rural, suburban and urban centers, the trades taught are equally diverse.

They include, but are not limited to the following -

1. Automotive repair, mechanical and body shop 2. Animal care - both Large Animal Care ( equestrian studies, agriculture, etc. and Small Animal Care - Dog grooming and training, vet tech, veterinary assistant. 3.Construction trades, 4. Plumbing 5. Electrician 6. Information Technology, computers 7. Audio visual, sound and recording, 8. Business, commercial and office skills 9. Allied Health studies - nursing assistant, practical nursing, dental assistant, sonographer, medical office assistant, laboratory assistant etc, 10. hairdresser, barber, etc. 11. Graphic art, design, fashion industry, 12. performing arts, film, photography. 13, Early childhood care 14. Culinary Arts and many others.

I am sure that other states have similar programs, The point is, this opportunity, is NOT AVAILABLE to "Home Schooled" minors. Vocational school is NOT THE SAME as doing chores - house work or farm hand. baby sitting or being their parent's servants cooks or dishwashers.

.

Vocational school is NOT the same as being used as a servant or nanny. The fact that the Duggars called their daughters "midwives" is dangerous and misleading. How DARE they!

Midwifery is a profession, not a trade and it requires four years of college AND a masters degree in nursing.

This is not the 1700s, it's the 21st century. These people are neither pilgrims nor pioneers. Telling people that your daughter is a midwife, when she lacks even a HS diploma and a basic education, is ignorant at LEAST and FRAUD at worst. I think people like the duggars are BOTH.

Minor children ALSO have the right not to be physically abused and beaten with plastic plumbing tubing, which is what this fanatic named Perls, recommends to his religious fanatic followers.
Bruises and welts are often noticed during PE class, swimming or other sports, They are noticed by teachers, coaches and sometimes other students.

If children never leave the house, as with these "home schooled" children, who will notice and report this? Someone of the same gender as the child, should make monthly and unannounced home visits since this form of "discipline" is THE STANDARD METHOD of abuse by "home school fanatics. IT IS FACT.

Finally there is the subject of sexual abuse. AT LEAST one of the Duggar daughters was sexually molested by a brother, I am sure this is NOT an ISOLATED INCIDENT. Thru connections, the badly damaged son received a slap on the wrist! Any counseling was from the same place as the abuse arose - the family and their crazy church.

Since these Mega Families do not engage in Normal age appropriate relationships with friends of the opposite sex, it is, in some ways, easy to understand.

Home schooled children need protection - FROM THEIR PARENTS and their siblings. Hoe can this happen when they are never seen by impartial person?
 
Old 03-30-2020, 02:01 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
19,728 posts, read 24,852,415 times
Reputation: 52479
Quote:
Originally Posted by Katzpur View Post
What the...? I'm a lifelong Mormon. I've lived in Sat Lake City my entire life (71 years). I know literally thousands of Mormon families. Many Mormons do tend to have larger families, like maybe 6 or 7 kids, though most these days are having maybe 4. But 22 kids? Tell me you were just being flippant and not truly that ignorant.
Katzpur, I don't know why everyone picks on the LDS church and it's people. Mainstream Mormons who I have had the pleasure of knowing, are unusually well educated, dedicated to their families, and do not hove overly controlled or chaotic families. They PLAN to have large families. Some Mormons do not have 9 or 10 kids. Many have, as you said; 4.5. 6. or 7. Even ten isn't unreasonable.

They dress their children modestly but in normal attire. Most mormans seem to attend public schools from K-12. Almost all go on to college.

The Christian Dominionists are the ones who eschew education and have outrageous families - in the 20s and high teens.

Mormans also encourage sports, the arts, singing, drama, dance and other forms of self expression. Mormon Children are allowed to join scouting, celebrate Halloween, wear bathing suits, be cheerleaders, compete in beauty pageants, surf, ice skate, participate in gymnastics, have non Mormon friends and listen to secular music. I am sure as with anyone else, some families are stronger, more loving and caring than others. No religion or group is perfect. Families from every religion can incur problems. However, in general, Mormon families are NOT the ones with 26 kids who are beating them and sexually abusing them.

That would be the Christian Dominionists.

Don't let the haters get to you, Katz.

Last edited by sheena12; 03-30-2020 at 03:19 PM..
 
Old 03-30-2020, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
22,986 posts, read 23,533,815 times
Reputation: 11242
Quote:
Originally Posted by sheena12 View Post
Katzpur, I don't know why everyone picks on the LDS church and it's people. Mainstream Mormans who I have had the pleasure of knowing, are unusually well educated, dedicated to their families, and do not hove overly controlled or chaotic families. They PLAN to have large families. Some Mormans do not have 9 or 10 kids. Many have, as you said; 4.5. 6. or 7. Even ten isn't unreasonable.

They dress their children modestly but in normal attire. Most mormans seem to attend public schools from K-12. Almost all go on to college.

The Christian Dominionists are the ones who eschew education and have outrageous families - in the 20s and high teens.

Mormans also encourage sports, the arts, singing, drama, dance and other forms of self expression. Mormon Children are allowed to join scouting, celebrate Halloween, wear bathing suits, be cheerleaders, compete in beauty pageants, surf, ice skate, participate in gymnastics, have non Mormon friends and listen to secular music. I am sure as with anyone else, some families are stronger, more love and caring than others. No religion or group is perfect. However, in general, Mormon families are NOT the ones with 26 kids who are beating them and sexually abusing them.

That would be the Christian Dominionists.

Don't let the haters get to you, Katz.
You make us sound almost human, sheena! Everything you've said about Mormons (except for the spelling ) was right on, not to mention the fact that, when coming from a non-Mormons such as yourself, this information will probably be more likely to be accepted as accurate than if had I posted it myself. I appreciate your taking the time to set the record straight.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:46 PM.

© 2005-2020, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top