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Old 10-08-2020, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Alabama
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You're going to be very disappointed in life. No one will live up to your unrealistic expectations.
I have no doubt that I'll be disappointed, just as I at times disappointed my parents. None of us are perfect.

Why are my expectations unrealistic? If it was possible for my wife and I to remain chaste before marriage, then it's possible for my children to do the same.

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One can have morals and still have sex!
Are morals subjective or objective?

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Your expectations sound more like demands than expectations.
Sure, I make demands of my children. As long as they live in my house, they are under my direct authority and I demand a certain standard of behavior. That's called good parenting.
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Old 10-10-2020, 01:52 AM
 
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I have no doubt that I'll be disappointed, just as I at times disappointed my parents. None of us are perfect.

Why are my expectations unrealistic? If it was possible for my wife and I to remain chaste before marriage, then it's possible for my children to do the same.

It sounds like you and your wife made that choice - will you allow your children to make their own choice?
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Old 10-12-2020, 01:49 PM
 
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He already answered that question. He said "as long as they live in my house", he will demand a certain standard of behavior.

Parents are held responsible for any consequences of a minor's behavior. So there is something called "parental rights"--the right to hold a minor to certain standards of behavior.

I haven't heard of this being done but there's a legal means for a minor to terminate parental rights. A child under 18 can petition a court for emancipation, so the child will then legally be considered an adult. If a minor persists in acting out doing adult behaviors then maybe it's time to say, "There's the door. Go get a job and then you can do whatever you want to do."
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Old 10-12-2020, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in America
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I have no doubt that I'll be disappointed, just as I at times disappointed my parents. None of us are perfect.

Why are my expectations unrealistic? If it was possible for my wife and I to remain chaste before marriage, then it's possible for my children to do the same.



Are morals subjective or objective?



Sure, I make demands of my children. As long as they live in my house, they are under my direct authority and I demand a certain standard of behavior. That's called good parenting.

Good luck with that! Good parenting also means realizing teens have sex and preparing them for it.
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Old 10-12-2020, 05:06 PM
 
Location: North America
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Good luck with that! Good parenting also means realizing teens have sex and preparing them for it.
A lot of parents hold to the position I CAN DEMAND SUCH AND SUCH! rather than contemplating SHOULD I DEMAND SUCH AND SUCH?.

The real world is a more complicated place than the trite ideology of BECAUSE I SAID SO! allows.
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Old 10-12-2020, 06:29 PM
 
Location: planet earth
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Of course I can't guarantee it, but I can teach them right from wrong, set standards for behavior, and make known what is expected of them.
Human sexuality is not "wrong."
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Old 10-13-2020, 04:39 AM
 
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He already answered that question. He said "as long as they live in my house", he will demand a certain standard of behavior.

Parents are held responsible for any consequences of a minor's behavior. So there is something called "parental rights"--the right to hold a minor to certain standards of behavior.

I haven't heard of this being done but there's a legal means for a minor to terminate parental rights. A child under 18 can petition a court for emancipation, so the child will then legally be considered an adult. If a minor persists in acting out doing adult behaviors then maybe it's time to say, "There's the door. Go get a job and then you can do whatever you want to do."
This doesn't apply to sexual consent and associated issues, though it does apply to child support. Also, trying to get a 16 year old prosecuted for stat rape of a 14 year old is either unsuccessful or possibly counterproductive (if a pregnancy results, the older partner's criminal record will make it harder for them to get a job and start supporting the child they created). It is not a simple matter of minors being a legal appendage of their parents.

No court is going to force emancipation on a minor who doesn't want it, simply because they entered a sexual relationship. In most states, in order to get emancipated, a minor has to be at least 16 years old, has to wish to be emancipated, and has to earn enough income to be liveable without needing "free rent" from their parents.
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Old 10-13-2020, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Somewhere in America
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A lot of parents hold to the position I CAN DEMAND SUCH AND SUCH! rather than contemplating SHOULD I DEMAND SUCH AND SUCH?.

The real world is a more complicated place than the trite ideology of BECAUSE I SAID SO! allows.
Ahhhhh my mother's favorite line...because I said so. For some reason that never worked on me. My response was always and?
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Old 10-13-2020, 12:28 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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Ahhhhh my mother's favorite line...because I said so. My response was always and?
And her sixteen year-old daughter got pregnant. And her seventeen year-old son got hooked on hard drugs and booze and died of an overdose. They’re called children for a reason...
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Old 10-13-2020, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in America
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And her sixteen year-old daughter got pregnant. And her seventeen year-old son got hooked on hard drugs and booze and died of an overdose. They’re called children for a reason...
What? None of that happened! I was NEVER pregnant as a teenager. My brother did not become a drug addict or an alcoholic. He's also alive and well. You're soooooo far off base!
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