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Old 11-13-2022, 10:15 PM
 
Location: North Dakota
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And there you have it why so many people have opted out of the school system and do home schooling.
Yep, keep them sheltered. This is the true definition of indoctrination.
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Old 11-13-2022, 10:19 PM
 
Location: In a George Strait Song
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The way you're clutching your pearls over this makes me think it's good for your daughter to not be so sheltered and read about things that happen in real life.
This is one of the jokes told by one of the characters in the book:

"Do you know what the usual cause of death is for lesbians?”

"Hairballs.”

Please explain why this is acceptable in an assigned novel in 10th grade.

Sure, oral sex happens in real life. My daughter does not need to read about it in English class.

In one of the other choices of books, a toddler girl is raped. This is not something most younger teens are equipped to handle within the parameters of English class.

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Yep, keep them sheltered. This is the true definition of indoctrination.
It’s called grooming. Why are you in favor of it?
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Old 11-13-2022, 10:33 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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When I was in highschool, no thought was given as to age-appropriateness of the reading material. Many of the books we read had grisly graphic violence and/or abuse in them. Some of the students found the readings to be traumatic or difficult to stomach. I've run into a number of adults who are parents, who say their HS readings turned them off to literature altogether. That's sad. I think that can be avoided with more care taken in the selection of reading material.
Could you be specific about the titles you read in high school, Ruth? Which were the grisly, graphically violent, abuse-ridden books you were assigned?

And how do you know that no thought was given to whether the books were age-appropriate?
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Old 11-14-2022, 05:19 AM
 
Location: North Dakota
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This is one of the jokes told by one of the characters in the book:

"Do you know what the usual cause of death is for lesbians?”

"Hairballs.”

Please explain why this is acceptable in an assigned novel in 10th grade.

Sure, oral sex happens in real life. My daughter does not need to read about it in English class.

In one of the other choices of books, a toddler girl is raped. This is not something most younger teens are equipped to handle within the parameters of English class.



It’s called grooming. Why are you in favor of it?
That is not grooming. It sounds like you need an education yourself.
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Old 11-14-2022, 06:46 AM
 
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That is not grooming. It sounds like you need an education yourself.
You can’t defend it I see. That’s what I thought.

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Old 11-14-2022, 11:07 AM
 
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You can’t defend it I see. That’s what I thought.
I will agree that those are books I would not choose if I were a teacher. However, I do think those should be allowed in the library at school. I'm not in favor of banning books. I also think parents really need to quit using words like grooming and indoctrination improperly.
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Old 11-14-2022, 12:12 PM
 
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This is one of the jokes told by one of the characters in the book:

"Do you know what the usual cause of death is for lesbians?”

"Hairballs.”

Please explain why this is acceptable in an assigned novel in 10th grade.

Sure, oral sex happens in real life. My daughter does not need to read about it in English class.

In one of the other choices of books, a toddler girl is raped. This is not something most younger teens are equipped to handle within the parameters of English class.



It’s called grooming. Why are you in favor of it?
I don'r think it's grooming. It's just a poor choice of books. When they place so much emphasis on sex and violence it detracts from what they should really be trying to teach. Reminds me of the tv news--they'll show killings and there will be loud sirens and screaming just to get attention and the person who wants to see the actual news relayed in an intelligent manner doesn't get much.
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Old 11-14-2022, 12:20 PM
 
Location: In a George Strait Song
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I will agree that those are books I would not choose if I were a teacher. However, I do think those should be allowed in the library at school. I'm not in favor of banning books. I also think parents really need to quit using words like grooming and indoctrination improperly.
I am not in favor of banning books. The book is not a library choice, but a classroom
choice. I am in favor of parents having a say in what their children are assigned at school if it crosses a line, which this does. I am in favor of sex education in school, but not in English class.

Grooming is used generally to mean getting children used to sexual activity, and has been used on this forum as such.

Also if you have a point to make, it would go over better if you weren’t so insulting.
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Old 11-14-2022, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Watervliet, NY
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I know that the world she is growing up in is not the same as the 1980s and 1990s. But is it too much to ask for some Shakespeare? Austen? Dickens? Fitzgerald? Edgar Allen Poe? Mark Twain?

If we can’t have our kids read the classics, is it too much to ask to have assigned books that don’t contain graphic sex and foul language?
You want Mark Twain? Give this a listen.
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Old 11-14-2022, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Watervliet, NY
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This is one of the jokes told by one of the characters in the book:

"Do you know what the usual cause of death is for lesbians?”

"Hairballs.”

Please explain why this is acceptable in an assigned novel in 10th grade.

Sure, oral sex happens in real life. My daughter does not need to read about it in English class.

In one of the other choices of books, a toddler girl is raped. This is not something most younger teens are equipped to handle within the parameters of English class.



It’s called grooming. Why are you in favor of it?
Do you let your daughter read the Bible? More sex and violence in the Bible than any other book ever written. And that book has been responsible for more "grooming" of unsuspecting people than the most liberal schoolteacher.
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