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Old 01-06-2009, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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MILLIONS of kids would die? Isn't that a bit of an exaggeration?? ::
Then why the urgency to impose the law in a matter of days, a law whose only purpose is safety of our children? Or am I wrong? Is the purpose of the law to enrich the millionaires, who need so urgently to recoup the sudden losses of their recent greedy foolishness?
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Old 01-07-2009, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Hillsborough
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Then why the urgency to impose the law in a matter of days, a law whose only purpose is safety of our children? Or am I wrong? Is the purpose of the law to enrich the millionaires, who need so urgently to recoup the sudden losses of their recent greedy foolishness?
I don't think there is anything of urgency going on with this law. People in my circles have been worrying about it for weeks or maybe even months. It's just now seeming to have reached the ears of the general public since it is going to be in effect soon.
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Old 01-07-2009, 08:06 AM
 
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The government needs to get people spending. People spending money at Goodwill or the Salvation Army or from WAHMs is not going to get our economy going. Buying crap from China that will fall apart after several uses/wearings will get people to buy more crap from China that will fall apart after several uses/wearings, which will get people to buy more....

This is only the tip of the iceberg... everything is going to get a lot more regulated over the next four years.
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Old 01-07-2009, 09:21 AM
 
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The law is written and is very vague as to exactly what can and cannot be sold. I suppose that is so they can interpret it in anyway they chose at any moment. It will not affect large box stores but it will cause their prices to go up once again hurting Americans just trying to get by. It will also effect Ebay since the little guy selling on their site will be an easy target thus making it impossible for ebay to hide. We need to call our representatives to have this law ammended.
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Old 01-07-2009, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Millons of homecrafters face bankruptcy after Jan 20 from new law

Millons of homecrafters face bankruptcy after Jan 20 from new law - Digital Journal: Your News Network

The January 20 2009 deadline for millions of American homecrafters to object to a new law requiring expensive testing of their products, is approaching fast. Child-products without certificates proving they have no lead content, will have to be scrapped.

The new Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act – passed hastily to bar poisonous foreign products – also will require millions of American homecrafters to have each of their products tested at huge cost, ranging from $500 to $4000 per product – including their old stock which was manufactured before this law had even been thought up. See law here

Formal complaints against this act must be lodged before January 20 2009 Comments must be labelled: Section 102 Mandatory Third-Party Testing of Component Parts'. Lodge complaints here

Without the CPSI certificate of compliance, millions of homecrafters selling their products on EBay, at fairs, in home-shops and at charity shops face conviction under this Act, which goes into effect on February 10 this year. Convinction carries tens of thousands of dollars in fines and potentially even jail time.

No more selling old things on eBay or Craigslist...
And all the products sold on eBay or Craigslist will also require such certificates of compliance or they will be breaking the law. Also affected: millions of charities, which will no longer be able to accept donations without a certificate of compliance. And this certificate can only be obtained through expensive testing by an SCPC-accredited laboratory." Without such certificates, billions of dollars worth of uncertified children’s products will have to be destroyed because they can’t be legally sold without an CPSI-certificate of compliance, and this will cause major environmental problems," said Massachusetts campaigner Kiki Fluhr.

The handmade toys alliance is also up in arms.
They warn: 'The CPSIA simply forgot to exclude the class of children's goods that have earned and kept the public's trust: Toys, clothes, and accessories made in the US, Canada, and Europe. The result, unless the law is modified, is that handmade children's products will no longer be legal in the US.
"And if this law had been applied to the food industry, every farmers market in the country would be forced to close while Kraft and Dole prospered...'See

The Act was drawn up after last year's massive recalls of dozens of dangerous, lead-tainted Chinese toys and children's products containing lethal phthalates.

This law however also includes all the products made in the USA, including homecrafters’ hand-knitted, quilted and hand-sewn clothes, wooden toys and the myriad of other products for children which traditionally have been sold by arts-and-crafts shops countrywide for decades. These are usually produced by cash-strapped people at home. Read page 7 of the act - with reference to the required testing of children's products here

Little time to object:
Homecrafters say there has been very little opportunity to campaign to get this aspect of the law changed before the deadline. The presidential elections and the holiday season have greatly hampered these efforts. The law was passed in August without much fanfare nor much publicity – -- and it was passed very hastily, with very little input from the country’s millions of homecrafters, they complain.

The homecrafters’ campaign to have the law changed before the objection deadline of January 20 this year was kicked off by one Massachusetts homecrafter, Kiki Fluhr, a young mom who runs the All the Numbers Handmade shop from her home. She refers to the law as the National Bankruptcy Act and predicts that tons of beautiful homecrafted stock will have to be thrown away.

She agrees wholeheartedly that the children must be protected from harmful chemicals. "However this law, as it is currently written, will affect millions of makers of handmade toys and apparel for children - the very people who many of us now turn to for safe toys, clothing and decor for our children. At present, there are no exemptions for small businesses and “micro†manufacturers like myself and most handcraft artisans."

See our previous story: here

Kuhr says all the homecrafters of the US 'will become criminals from February 10 if they continue to sell their homemade stock without the required certificate of compliance to prove that it had been tested for dangerous contents such as lead'.

Homecrafters now have to make a tough decision: whether to sell their stock without the certificate and face massive fines and even imprisonment under this new law, or scrapping all their old stock and going out of business.

She says the new law will turn micro-businesses like hers into illegal manufacturers of "hazardous substances' overnight. Kuhr says that ‘even granny's home-made quilts sold in the local arts-and-crafts shop won't be exempt from this new law’. And the pre-existing stock from homecraft-shops also will have to be dumped as ‘contraband', she said, because the Act is retroactive, and without the required certificate of compliance, all such products will be deemed to contain 'banned, hazardous substances' after February 10.

Fluhr says that she has spent the last six months growing her business, 'working incredibly hard to create a great product. ' And while it's laudable that the new law bans lead and phthalates (a chemical used in some vinyl products) from all children’s toys, apparel, decor, and accessories, it's a disaster for micro-businesses like hers.

She works with organic materials -- and traditional handcrafters like her are very conscious of the safety of their products. However they can't afford to have each product tested at the cost of $4,000 per item to get their certificates of compliance. So they will not only be forced out of business, but their pre-existing stock will be outlawed.

Manufacturers -- all these microbusinesses included -- will have to obtain a certificate of compliance: anyone who makes clothing, toys etc regardless of volume, needs to have each and every component tested by a CPSC-accredited laboratory at huge cost for each individual product. "This includes not just toys, but clothing, jewelry, blankets, sheets, books, bibs, strollers, carriers, and anything else that a child younger than 12 might come in contact with," she said.

"These tests have to be done at a CSPC accredited lab, and cost as much as $4,000 with an average of around $500. So for me, I offer three different types of dresses. Each dress contains two different fabrics, as well as buttons, and thread (each of which needs to be tested), so that’s potentially $2,000 to test one dress. But I have three styles, so that’s $6,000. And when I get a new bolt of fabric, I need to start all over again. I can only make 15 dresses from one bolt, so there is no way I could make the testing financially feasible".

Even known lead-free and phthalates-free products must still be tested...
The law as it stands now, makes no exception for quantities made, where the garments/products are made or anything else. Nor is there an exception for unadorned fabric components, unfinished wood components, materials which, by their nature, are free of lead and phthalates.

Guilty until proven innocent...
Also, the law takes a “guilty until proven innocent†approach, which would treat a handmade, unfinished wooden toy that doesn’t meet the certification deadline as a “banned hazardous substance†which would be illegal to distribute in this country, she said.

"Larger corporations that can afford testing will incur thousands, maybe millions of dollars in fees, and this expense will be handed down to the consumer, probably making the prices for children’s products go through the roof." Fluhr: "This law will put thousands of manufacturers of children’s products out of business -hurting our economy and causing even more loan defaults. Though this legislation was well-intentioned, it cannot be allowed to stand."

"This law affects every stay at home mom trying to help put food on the table and every grandmother knitting blankets for the local craft fair. It makes the thousands of us who have found a niche in the burgeoning handmade market have to make a tough decision – continue to produce items illegally and possible incur a $100,000 fine, or close up shop and maybe not be able to pay the mortgage this month...."

How to object to this Act
She urged home-crafters and micro-business owners to lodge their objections no later than January 20 2009 to the Consumer Product Safety Commission's Office of the Secretary, email

Sec102ComponentPawrtsTesting@cpsc.gov . They can be faxed to (USA) 301 504-0127

Snailmail:
The Office of the Secretary,
Consumer Product Safety Commission,
Room 502, 4330 East-West Highway,
Bethesda, Maryland 20814 US.
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Old 01-07-2009, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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More government regulations is classic for a Democrat in office. Gee, I wonder why no one else saw this coming...
Please don't percieve this as an attack, but this has NOTHING to do with the Democrat/Repulican polarity. It's about the government widening the gap between the have and have-nots. This law was brought about around August of last year, under Bush. It went RIGHT under the radar. If this legislation doesn't **** people off, I swear....
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Old 01-07-2009, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Hillsborough
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Here is an interesting blog on the issue:
My longest blog post ever - and the most angry! | GloryQuilts's Xanga Site - Weblog

Of particular interest is that she says that not only are used items and hand-crafted items affected, but also all children's books!
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Old 01-07-2009, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Who is going to enforce the law? Are Swat teams going into Goodwill and holding clothes with no labels up against 11-year olds, to see if they look like they will fit? Most clothes I see at thrift stores have no labels at all, or they are illegible.

The government police agents are too busy watching for Cat Stevens at the airport to concern themselves with enforcement of this law. The thrift shops can re-label small clothing and call them size 12, size 12 small, size 12 very small, size 12 tiny, and size 12 teensy-weensy.
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Old 01-07-2009, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Hillsborough
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The problem is not necessarily that it would be widely enforced against individuals, particularly those selling privately, like at garage sales person to person. But for those selling on ebay or craigslist, those organizations may not allow it because they don't want to be held responsible (they already have certain restrictions on things you are not allowed to list there for legal reasons). And for businesses like thrift or consignment stores, especially those that deal exclusively in children's items, those store owners may close down because they fear being fined - and it's a pretty steep fine at that. I just got an email from our local twice a year consignment sale that the January sale may be their last because of this law - they don't want to risk the fines. I have also heard from several moms I know who make children's items in their homes to sell on the internet (like diapers, carriers, knit clothing, quilts, dolls, etc) and they are saying that they will shut down their businesses because they can't risk the fine. I think that it's a legitimate fear for business owners, even if the likelihood of any particular individual actually getting caught and fined is low.

The law also specifies that you can't just re-label something as for adult use if it is obviously for use by a child, such as a diaper or clothing item. People are also worried about collectible items, including dolls, books, trains, and other "toys" that would be sold to collectors and are not intended for use by a child at all. This law says that those items still need proof that they have been tested.
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Old 01-07-2009, 01:42 PM
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I've called my senators as well as written them emails, I've also called the CPSC. I am going to call Bobby Rush's office (bill sponsor) as well.

We all need to voice our concerns. Now is the time to be that squeaky wheel. Call your senators, as well as email them. Make sure you speak to a real person to get your point across. Ask them to rewrite the bill so it is the MANUFACTURERS who have to comply. Encourage friends and family to call and write as well.

Evidently, this bill is called The Consumer Product Safety Act.
Bill # is H.R.4040, sponsored by representative Bobby Rush


Do a search for H.R.4040 here under Word/Phrase Exact Match Only:
Advanced Bill Summary and Status Search for the 110th Congress - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Don't enter any other search criteria

(call the sponsor of the bill Bobby Rush to request the bill be changed: Washington Office, phone: 202-225-4372; District Office, phone: 773-224-6500; South Suburban District Office, phone: 708-385-9550)

Call the Consumer Products Safety Commission
Toll-free Consumer Hotline: 800-638-2772 . 8:30 am - 5:00 pm ET. Messages may be left anytime after these hours. Available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

This bill could create a multitude of problems ... small businesses going belly-up, increasing the junk going into landfills, it hurts families who are just getting by, not to mention the jobs that will be lost as a result of the small businesses closing. How will many families afford to purchase new clothes and new toys. We need to protect our children and the repeat offenders need to be SANCTIONED, but it is the MANUFACTURERS responsibility to conduct these tests and keep tainted toys out of the market. Who's heard of lead in clothing? Maybe we should curtail imports from China until this problem is under control.

What are these lawmakers thinking? This broad-reaching, ineffective bill that has the potential to create economic hardship for citizens and small busineeses is the last thing this country needs right now.
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